Re: Registration images - Amended motion

[andi rivarola <andinsky@gmail.com>]

Thanks for yout positive input, Dave. You're to be commended.

I've been silent listening to you all. I'm sorry. I don't want to be rude,
but...

I'm new at this discussion board, and don't understand why people who are on
the Board, are unwilling to let go of the issue or share their picture for
registration. What do you think AIS is going to do with your picture? Make
money on it? Sell it to the networks? Do you believe it is a conspiracy?

Obviously, the more your iris is exposed in any Marketing Media, the more
YOU will sell of it. So, it will only benefit you.

Please enough with this silly discussion. It seems to me that there's more
to this discussion than just photographs or no photographs..

The way I llook at this, there's a HUGE elephant in the room, and nobody is
talking about it. What is see is there's a huge "CONTROL' issue within this
group, and people you need to have a serious talk about communicating with
each other, and define your roles. Otherwise, another 10-20 years are going
pass you by before you make any decisions... or, you will have a serious
dissagreement (I borrowed this from a movie, but don't recall which one).

As has been explained many times, the proposal here is for a VOLUNTARY
commitment from hybridizers to submit a picture. Could you leave it at that
and for a committee approved by the AIS President to explore all the issues?

Done.

Finito.

Listo.

Please.

Sincerely,

Andi Rivarola
~ No AIS Board Member;
~ Hold no Power Whatsoever;



On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Capeiris <capeiris@aol.com> wrote:

> Dear Friends :
>
>   In the discussion about the use of slides, as a hybridizer, I would be
> glad
> for my things tio be seen. In some instances, they may nit be the best
> representation of them but at least it gets the name and the hybridizers
> name
> before the public and judges.
>
>   In the daffodil society, we have sent slides for se\veral years of our
> introductions. They do not limit it to one picture but there may be several
> including ones that others send. In one instance, my introduction of "Hot
> Pink" was shown twice and they looked different. I was asked which one was
> correct and I replied that they both were correct since it looks
> differently
> in different years and also different when grown in other places. The same
> has
> happened to my with irises and daylilies--I have seen thrm looking
> differently
> in different places which I think is a good thing to point out. So, for
> what
> ever that's worth, that's my opinion. Dave Niswonger
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Pries <robertpries@embarqmail.com>
> To: aisdiscuss <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
>  Sent: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:17 am
> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
>
>
> The motion as it stands with amendment does not require photos with
> egistration. If a hybridizer does not wish to send them that is their
> choice.
> he amendment that provides some legal protection may seem tough to some.
> henever there are unknowns people have fears. But the motion also provides
> for
>  committee that can suggest policy around the submission. If warranted by
> xperience after it passes, use by AIS could be restricted to just the two
> esignated uses; Library Archives and Encyclopedia.
> But I would suggest that there really is nothing to fear here. Can anyone
> name
> n AIS use that would not be beneficial to the hybridizer? There is a
> challenge!
> aving an iris seen, creates demand, which helps gain votes on awards. I can
> not
> magine how an AIS use would be detrimental to a hybridizer. The motion does
> not
> et limits on numbers of photos and if quality is an issue the hybridizer
> could
> esignate someone elsebs photo taken later as being representative. I am
> sure
> he best photos available would always be the ones used. The goal of the
> motion
> s to document the Iris for history.
> I think it is important to look towards the future. If AIS collects photos
> that
> ave not gained copyright permission, than, they would have to sit in the
> ibrary Archives for 90 years, before they could be put to any use. Of
> course
> ou could always go back and try to get permission from the heirs of the
> ybridizer but that seems messy.
> We have made enormous progress at bringing the society into the 21st
> century.
> his motion would not bring us all the way to where the leading plant
> societies
> re. But it would be a small step forward.
> ----- Original Message -----
> rom: "Janet Smith" <ypauls@sti.net>
> o: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> ent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:20:24 PM
> ubject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
> Thank you Cheryl, however might I have one of your good photos
> nstead of the lousy ones - giggle!
> Janet
> ---- Original Message ----
> rom: region15kids@hotmail.com
> o: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> ubject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
>  ate: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:55:45 -0700
> >Thank you Janet.  The photo copyright is an important issue for many
> of us,
> (not that I know much about it).  One of these days I might get the
> courage to
> send you one of my lousy pictures for the CD program!
> Cheryl
>
> > From: ypauls@sti.net
> > To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> > Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
> > Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 17:25:12 -0700
> >
> > I have been accepting high resolution photos from hybriziders since
> > 2005 for all the Introduction CD Programs I do. AND every photo is
> > copyright protected for AIS and the hybridizer (who will alway
> > maintain the original rights to their photos.)
> >
> > Janet
> >
> > P.S. Not every hybridizer participates.
> >
> > ---- Original Message ----
> > From: region15kids@hotmail.com
> > To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> > Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
> > Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:39:29 -0700
> >
> > >I never thought August first was the date for the final product.
> > >However,
> > >taking into account the import of the information we will need to
> > >implement
> > >the proposal, I feel that input from hybridizers and foreign iris
> > >societies is
> > >a PRIORITY for the first submission and their busiest time is from
> > >now until
> > >October. Other things to consider - the cost of an external hard
> > >drive
> > >capable of storing the proposed images, the possibility of burning
> > >dvds to
> > >store the pictures, camera requirements (I have a digital camera
> and
> > >I have NO
> > >idea how many dpi it has), which Janet could provide input since
> she
> > >has been
> > >in charge of the Photo Contest but I am sure that Bob Pries (with
> the
> > >wiki)
> > >and possibly Kelly and John Jones and Chris would have suggestions
> as
> > >well.
> > >Tracy might not have the time needed to accomplish some of the
> work
> > >involved,
> > >so we would need to look into that as well. And I for one am not
> > >willing to
> > >release my photos to AIS for ANYTHING THEY WANT TO USE IT FOR when
> I
> > >register
> > >an iris, so there are implications for that as well. If a
> hybridizer
> > >is
> > >unwilling to furnish a picture with that criteria, will we refuse
> the
> > >registration?
> > >I think August 1 is a good starting point for gathering
> information
> > >to work
> > >from NOT submitting a first set of guidelines. And your amended
> > >motion says
> > >that August first is the deadline for the first set of proposed
> > >guidelines.
> > >Cheryl
> > >
> > >> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:23:32 -0700
> > >> From: in2iris@yahoo.com
> > >> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
> > >> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> > >>
> > >> The August 1 date is not the date for the final product and a
> vote
> > >to
> > >> implement a final product. It is for the first submission of a
> > >proposed set
> > >> of guidelines. After that set of guidelines is proposed, there
> will
> > >be more
> > >> work to be done, changes to be made, etc. Without some idea
> > >(proposed
> > >> guidelines) of what is to be accomplished, how are we to go
> about
> > >obtaining
> > >> opinions, ideas, input from sections, foreign iris societies,
> > >hypridizers,
> > >> etc.? We have to start somewhere. An initial set of proposed
> > >guidelines is
> > >> the starting point. If we wait until we get all the details
> worked
> > >out,
> > >wait
> > >> until everyone is consulted, wait until it is ready to be voted
> on,
> > >before
> > >we
> > >> ever put down in a first proposal of what, how, who, when .....
> it
> > >will
> > >never
> > >> be accomplished. There will be time for input from all parties
> > >before the
> > >> final product is ready for a vote.
> > >>
> > >> Gary White
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- On Mon, 3/21/11, cheryl deaton <region15kids@hotmail.com>
> > >wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> From: cheryl deaton <region15kids@hotmail.com>
> > >> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
> > >> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> > >> Date: Monday, March 21, 2011, 10:58 AM
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I still think that August 1, 2011 is too early. Take into
> account
> > >that we
> > >> will need some input from foreign iris societies and
> hybridizers,
> > >not to
> > >> mention input from sections, and summer is right smack in the
> > >middle of
> > >> shipping season for major gardens. We should be able to get some
> > >input from
> > >> Australia/New Zealand since it is their fall season, but getting
> > >guidelines
> > >> into place by August first is not feasible. Gathering
> suggestions,
> > >ideas,
> > >> and
> > >> information etc. would be in the infant stages with that
> timeframe.
> > >Not
> > >ready
> > >> to propose suggested guidelines.
> > >> Cheryl
> > >>
> > >> > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 08:04:49 -0700
> > >> > From: in2iris@yahoo.com
> > >> > Subject: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
> > >> > To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> > >> >
> > >> > I wish to amend my motion to:
> > >> >
> > >> > A) The AIS Registrar shall begin requesting volunteer image
> > >submission
> > >> > with registrations. Images shall be accepted by the Registrar,
> > >archived
> > >in
> > >> > the
> > >> > AIS Library, and displayed on the Iris Encyclopedia.
> Submission
> > >of images
> > >> to
> > >> > the AIS constitutes permission for any and all AIS uses.
> > >> >
> > >> > B) The AIS President shall appoint a registration committee to
> > >facilitate
> > >> > implementation of registration image collection, archiving,
> and
> > >> disposition.
> > >> > This committee shall propose suggested guidelines for
> > >registration images
> > >> by
> > >> > August 1, 2011.
> > >> >
> > >> > Gary White
> > >> >
> > >> >
> >
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