Re: Registration images - Amended motion

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I sincerely apologize for sending the message below over the iris list. I
meant to send it as private message to Dave Niswonger. Mea culpa. Clarence





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From: cemahan <cemahan@aol.com>
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Sent: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:04 pm
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion


Today Don Spoon called and I commented that both God and an iris hybridizer
reates beauty.  What is the difference between God and an iris hybridizer?
croll down for answer.....









Answer: God knows when to quit.



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ear Friends :
  In the discussion about the use of slides, as a hybridizer, I would be
lad
r my things tio be seen. In some instances, they may nit be the best
presentation of them but at least it gets the name and the hybridizers name
fore the public and judges.
  In the daffodil society, we have sent slides for se\veral years of our
troductions. They do not limit it to one picture but there may be several
cluding ones that others send. In one instance, my introduction of "Hot
nk" was shown twice and they looked different. I was asked which one was
rrect and I replied that they both were correct since it looks differently
 different years and also different when grown in other places. The same has
ppened to my with irises and daylilies--I have seen thrm looking differently
 different places which I think is a good thing to point out. So, for what
er that's worth, that's my opinion. Dave Niswonger

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om: Robert Pries <robertpries@embarqmail.com>
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nt: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:17 am
bject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
he motion as it stands with amendment does not require photos with
istration. If a hybridizer does not wish to send them that is their choice.
 amendment that provides some legal protection may seem tough to some.
never there are unknowns people have fears. But the motion also provides for
ommittee that can suggest policy around the submission. If warranted by
erience after it passes, use by AIS could be restricted to just the two
ignated uses; Library Archives and Encyclopedia.
t I would suggest that there really is nothing to fear here. Can anyone name
AIS use that would not be beneficial to the hybridizer? There is a
allenge!
ing an iris seen, creates demand, which helps gain votes on awards. I can
t
gine how an AIS use would be detrimental to a hybridizer. The motion does
t
 limits on numbers of photos and if quality is an issue the hybridizer could
ignate someone elsebs photo taken later as being representative. I am sure
 best photos available would always be the ones used. The goal of the motion
to document the Iris for history.
think it is important to look towards the future. If AIS collects photos
at
e not gained copyright permission, than, they would have to sit in the
rary Archives for 90 years, before they could be put to any use. Of course
 could always go back and try to get permission from the heirs of the
ridizer but that seems messy.
 have made enormous progress at bringing the society into the 21st century.
s motion would not bring us all the way to where the leading plant societies
. But it would be a small step forward.
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m: "Janet Smith" <ypauls@sti.net>
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t: Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:20:24 PM
ject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
ank you Cheryl, however might I have one of your good photos
tead of the lousy ones - giggle!
net
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e: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:55:45 -0700
hank you Janet.  The photo copyright is an important issue for many
 us,
ot that I know much about it).  One of these days I might get the
urage to
nd you one of my lousy pictures for the CD program!
eryl
 From: ypauls@sti.net
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 17:25:12 -0700
 I have been accepting high resolution photos from hybriziders since
2005 for all the Introduction CD Programs I do. AND every photo is
copyright protected for AIS and the hybridizer (who will alway
maintain the original rights to their photos.)
 Janet
 P.S. Not every hybridizer participates.
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From: region15kids@hotmail.com
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:39:29 -0700
 >I never thought August first was the date for the final product.
>However,
>taking into account the import of the information we will need to
>implement
>the proposal, I feel that input from hybridizers and foreign iris
>societies is
>a PRIORITY for the first submission and their busiest time is from
>now until
>October. Other things to consider - the cost of an external hard
>drive
>capable of storing the proposed images, the possibility of burning
>dvds to
>store the pictures, camera requirements (I have a digital camera
d
>I have NO
>idea how many dpi it has), which Janet could provide input since
e
>has been
>in charge of the Photo Contest but I am sure that Bob Pries (with
e
>wiki)
>and possibly Kelly and John Jones and Chris would have suggestions

>well.
>Tracy might not have the time needed to accomplish some of the
rk
>involved,
>so we would need to look into that as well. And I for one am not
>willing to
>release my photos to AIS for ANYTHING THEY WANT TO USE IT FOR when
 >register
>an iris, so there are implications for that as well. If a
bridizer
>is
>unwilling to furnish a picture with that criteria, will we refuse
e
>registration?
>I think August 1 is a good starting point for gathering
formation
>to work
>from NOT submitting a first set of guidelines. And your amended
>motion says
>that August first is the deadline for the first set of proposed
>guidelines.
>Cheryl
>
>> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:23:32 -0700
>> From: in2iris@yahoo.com
>> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>
>> The August 1 date is not the date for the final product and a
te
>to
>> implement a final product. It is for the first submission of a
>proposed set
>> of guidelines. After that set of guidelines is proposed, there
ll
>be more
>> work to be done, changes to be made, etc. Without some idea
>(proposed
>> guidelines) of what is to be accomplished, how are we to go
out
>obtaining
>> opinions, ideas, input from sections, foreign iris societies,
>hypridizers,
>> etc.? We have to start somewhere. An initial set of proposed
>guidelines is
>> the starting point. If we wait until we get all the details
rked
>out,
>wait
>> until everyone is consulted, wait until it is ready to be voted
,
>before
>we
>> ever put down in a first proposal of what, how, who, when .....

>will
>never
>> be accomplished. There will be time for input from all parties
>before the
>> final product is ready for a vote.
>>
>> Gary White
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 3/21/11, cheryl deaton <region15kids@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: cheryl deaton <region15kids@hotmail.com>
>> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> Date: Monday, March 21, 2011, 10:58 AM
>>
>>
>> I still think that August 1, 2011 is too early. Take into
count
>that we
>> will need some input from foreign iris societies and
bridizers,
>not to
>> mention input from sections, and summer is right smack in the
>middle of
>> shipping season for major gardens. We should be able to get some
>input from
>> Australia/New Zealand since it is their fall season, but getting
>guidelines
>> into place by August first is not feasible. Gathering
ggestions,
>ideas,
>> and
>> information etc. would be in the infant stages with that
meframe.
>Not
>ready
>> to propose suggested guidelines.
>> Cheryl
>>
>> > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 08:04:49 -0700
>> > From: in2iris@yahoo.com
>> > Subject: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
>> > To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> >
>> > I wish to amend my motion to:
>> >
>> > A) The AIS Registrar shall begin requesting volunteer image
>submission
>> > with registrations. Images shall be accepted by the Registrar,
>archived
>in
>> > the
>> > AIS Library, and displayed on the Iris Encyclopedia.
bmission
>of images
>> to
>> > the AIS constitutes permission for any and all AIS uses.
>> >
>> > B) The AIS President shall appoint a registration committee to
>facilitate
>> > implementation of registration image collection, archiving,
d
>> disposition.
>> > This committee shall propose suggested guidelines for
>registration images
>> by
>> > August 1, 2011.
>> >
>> > Gary White
>> >
>> >
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