Re: Registration images - Amended motion

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Today Don Spoon called and I commented that both God and an iris hybridizer
creates beauty.  What is the difference between God and an iris hybridizer?
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Answer: God knows when to quit.






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From: Capeiris <capeiris@aol.com>
To: aisdiscuss <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
Sent: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:55 am
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion


Dear Friends :
   In the discussion about the use of slides, as a hybridizer, I would be
glad
or my things tio be seen. In some instances, they may nit be the best
epresentation of them but at least it gets the name and the hybridizers name
efore the public and judges.
   In the daffodil society, we have sent slides for se\veral years of our
ntroductions. They do not limit it to one picture but there may be several
ncluding ones that others send. In one instance, my introduction of "Hot
ink" was shown twice and they looked different. I was asked which one was
orrect and I replied that they both were correct since it looks differently
n different years and also different when grown in other places. The same has
appened to my with irises and daylilies--I have seen thrm looking differently
n different places which I think is a good thing to point out. So, for what
ver that's worth, that's my opinion. Dave Niswonger



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rom: Robert Pries <robertpries@embarqmail.com>
o: aisdiscuss <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
ent: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:17 am
ubject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion

he motion as it stands with amendment does not require photos with
gistration. If a hybridizer does not wish to send them that is their choice.
e amendment that provides some legal protection may seem tough to some.
enever there are unknowns people have fears. But the motion also provides for
committee that can suggest policy around the submission. If warranted by
perience after it passes, use by AIS could be restricted to just the two
signated uses; Library Archives and Encyclopedia.
ut I would suggest that there really is nothing to fear here. Can anyone name
 AIS use that would not be beneficial to the hybridizer? There is a
hallenge!
ving an iris seen, creates demand, which helps gain votes on awards. I can
ot
agine how an AIS use would be detrimental to a hybridizer. The motion does
ot
t limits on numbers of photos and if quality is an issue the hybridizer could
signate someone elsebs photo taken later as being representative. I am sure
e best photos available would always be the ones used. The goal of the motion
 to document the Iris for history.
 think it is important to look towards the future. If AIS collects photos
hat
ve not gained copyright permission, than, they would have to sit in the
brary Archives for 90 years, before they could be put to any use. Of course
u could always go back and try to get permission from the heirs of the
bridizer but that seems messy.
e have made enormous progress at bringing the society into the 21st century.
is motion would not bring us all the way to where the leading plant societies
e. But it would be a small step forward.
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om: "Janet Smith" <ypauls@sti.net>
: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
nt: Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:20:24 PM
bject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
hank you Cheryl, however might I have one of your good photos
stead of the lousy ones - giggle!
anet
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om: region15kids@hotmail.com
: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
bject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
te: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:55:45 -0700
Thank you Janet.  The photo copyright is an important issue for many
f us,
not that I know much about it).  One of these days I might get the
ourage to
end you one of my lousy pictures for the CD program!
heryl
> From: ypauls@sti.net
 To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
 Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 17:25:12 -0700

 I have been accepting high resolution photos from hybriziders since
 2005 for all the Introduction CD Programs I do. AND every photo is
 copyright protected for AIS and the hybridizer (who will alway
 maintain the original rights to their photos.)

 Janet

 P.S. Not every hybridizer participates.

 ---- Original Message ----
 From: region15kids@hotmail.com
 To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
 Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:39:29 -0700

 >I never thought August first was the date for the final product.
 >However,
 >taking into account the import of the information we will need to
 >implement
 >the proposal, I feel that input from hybridizers and foreign iris
 >societies is
 >a PRIORITY for the first submission and their busiest time is from
 >now until
 >October. Other things to consider - the cost of an external hard
 >drive
 >capable of storing the proposed images, the possibility of burning
 >dvds to
 >store the pictures, camera requirements (I have a digital camera
nd
 >I have NO
 >idea how many dpi it has), which Janet could provide input since
he
 >has been
 >in charge of the Photo Contest but I am sure that Bob Pries (with
he
 >wiki)
 >and possibly Kelly and John Jones and Chris would have suggestions
s
 >well.
 >Tracy might not have the time needed to accomplish some of the
ork
 >involved,
 >so we would need to look into that as well. And I for one am not
 >willing to
 >release my photos to AIS for ANYTHING THEY WANT TO USE IT FOR when

 >register
 >an iris, so there are implications for that as well. If a
ybridizer
 >is
 >unwilling to furnish a picture with that criteria, will we refuse
he
 >registration?
 >I think August 1 is a good starting point for gathering
nformation
 >to work
 >from NOT submitting a first set of guidelines. And your amended
 >motion says
 >that August first is the deadline for the first set of proposed
 >guidelines.
 >Cheryl
 >
 >> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:23:32 -0700
 >> From: in2iris@yahoo.com
 >> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
 >> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
 >>
 >> The August 1 date is not the date for the final product and a
ote
 >to
 >> implement a final product. It is for the first submission of a
 >proposed set
 >> of guidelines. After that set of guidelines is proposed, there
ill
 >be more
 >> work to be done, changes to be made, etc. Without some idea
 >(proposed
 >> guidelines) of what is to be accomplished, how are we to go
bout
 >obtaining
 >> opinions, ideas, input from sections, foreign iris societies,
 >hypridizers,
 >> etc.? We have to start somewhere. An initial set of proposed
 >guidelines is
 >> the starting point. If we wait until we get all the details
orked
 >out,
 >wait
 >> until everyone is consulted, wait until it is ready to be voted
n,
 >before
 >we
 >> ever put down in a first proposal of what, how, who, when .....
t
 >will
 >never
 >> be accomplished. There will be time for input from all parties
 >before the
 >> final product is ready for a vote.
 >>
 >> Gary White
 >>
 >>
 >> --- On Mon, 3/21/11, cheryl deaton <region15kids@hotmail.com>
 >wrote:
 >>
 >>
 >> From: cheryl deaton <region15kids@hotmail.com>
 >> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
 >> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
 >> Date: Monday, March 21, 2011, 10:58 AM
 >>
 >>
 >> I still think that August 1, 2011 is too early. Take into
ccount
 >that we
 >> will need some input from foreign iris societies and
ybridizers,
 >not to
 >> mention input from sections, and summer is right smack in the
 >middle of
 >> shipping season for major gardens. We should be able to get some
 >input from
 >> Australia/New Zealand since it is their fall season, but getting
 >guidelines
 >> into place by August first is not feasible. Gathering
uggestions,
 >ideas,
 >> and
 >> information etc. would be in the infant stages with that
imeframe.
 >Not
 >ready
 >> to propose suggested guidelines.
 >> Cheryl
 >>
 >> > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 08:04:49 -0700
 >> > From: in2iris@yahoo.com
 >> > Subject: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
 >> > To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
 >> >
 >> > I wish to amend my motion to:
 >> >
 >> > A) The AIS Registrar shall begin requesting volunteer image
 >submission
 >> > with registrations. Images shall be accepted by the Registrar,
 >archived
 >in
 >> > the
 >> > AIS Library, and displayed on the Iris Encyclopedia.
ubmission
 >of images
 >> to
 >> > the AIS constitutes permission for any and all AIS uses.
 >> >
 >> > B) The AIS President shall appoint a registration committee to
 >facilitate
 >> > implementation of registration image collection, archiving,
nd
 >> disposition.
 >> > This committee shall propose suggested guidelines for
 >registration images
 >> by
 >> > August 1, 2011.
 >> >
 >> > Gary White
 >> >
 >> >

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