Re: Registration images - Amended motion

[Robert Pries <robertpries@embarqmail.com>]

The motion as it stands with amendment does not require photos with registration. If a hybridizer does not wish to send them that is their choice. The amendment that provides some legal protection may seem tough to some. Whenever there are unknowns people have fears. But the motion also provides for a committee that can suggest policy around the submission. If warranted by experience after it passes, use by AIS could be restricted to just the two designated uses; Library Archives and Encyclopedia. 

But I would suggest that there really is nothing to fear here. Can anyone name an AIS use that would not be beneficial to the hybridizer? There is a challenge! Having an iris seen, creates demand, which helps gain votes on awards. I can not imagine how an AIS use would be detrimental to a hybridizer. The motion does not set limits on numbers of photos and if quality is an issue the hybridizer could designate someone elsebs photo taken later as being representative. I am sure the best photos available would always be the ones used. The goal of the motion is to document the Iris for history.

I think it is important to look towards the future. If AIS collects photos that have not gained copyright permission, than, they would have to sit in the Library Archives for 90 years, before they could be put to any use. Of course you could always go back and try to get permission from the heirs of the hybridizer but that seems messy.

We have made enormous progress at bringing the society into the 21st century. This motion would not bring us all the way to where the leading plant societies are. But it would be a small step forward.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janet Smith" <ypauls@sti.net>
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:20:24 PM
Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion

Thank you Cheryl, however might I have one of your good photos
instead of the lousy ones - giggle!

Janet

---- Original Message ----
From: region15kids@hotmail.com
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:55:45 -0700

>Thank you Janet.  The photo copyright is an important issue for many
>of us,
>(not that I know much about it).  One of these days I might get the
>courage to
>send you one of my lousy pictures for the CD program!
>Cheryl
>
>> From: ypauls@sti.net
>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
>> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 17:25:12 -0700
>>
>> I have been accepting high resolution photos from hybriziders since
>> 2005 for all the Introduction CD Programs I do. AND every photo is
>> copyright protected for AIS and the hybridizer (who will alway
>> maintain the original rights to their photos.)
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> P.S. Not every hybridizer participates.
>>
>> ---- Original Message ----
>> From: region15kids@hotmail.com
>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
>> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:39:29 -0700
>>
>> >I never thought August first was the date for the final product.
>> >However,
>> >taking into account the import of the information we will need to
>> >implement
>> >the proposal, I feel that input from hybridizers and foreign iris
>> >societies is
>> >a PRIORITY for the first submission and their busiest time is from
>> >now until
>> >October. Other things to consider - the cost of an external hard
>> >drive
>> >capable of storing the proposed images, the possibility of burning
>> >dvds to
>> >store the pictures, camera requirements (I have a digital camera
>and
>> >I have NO
>> >idea how many dpi it has), which Janet could provide input since
>she
>> >has been
>> >in charge of the Photo Contest but I am sure that Bob Pries (with
>the
>> >wiki)
>> >and possibly Kelly and John Jones and Chris would have suggestions
>as
>> >well.
>> >Tracy might not have the time needed to accomplish some of the
>work
>> >involved,
>> >so we would need to look into that as well. And I for one am not
>> >willing to
>> >release my photos to AIS for ANYTHING THEY WANT TO USE IT FOR when
>I
>> >register
>> >an iris, so there are implications for that as well. If a
>hybridizer
>> >is
>> >unwilling to furnish a picture with that criteria, will we refuse
>the
>> >registration?
>> >I think August 1 is a good starting point for gathering
>information
>> >to work
>> >from NOT submitting a first set of guidelines. And your amended
>> >motion says
>> >that August first is the deadline for the first set of proposed
>> >guidelines.
>> >Cheryl
>> >
>> >> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:23:32 -0700
>> >> From: in2iris@yahoo.com
>> >> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
>> >> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> >>
>> >> The August 1 date is not the date for the final product and a
>vote
>> >to
>> >> implement a final product. It is for the first submission of a
>> >proposed set
>> >> of guidelines. After that set of guidelines is proposed, there
>will
>> >be more
>> >> work to be done, changes to be made, etc. Without some idea
>> >(proposed
>> >> guidelines) of what is to be accomplished, how are we to go
>about
>> >obtaining
>> >> opinions, ideas, input from sections, foreign iris societies,
>> >hypridizers,
>> >> etc.? We have to start somewhere. An initial set of proposed
>> >guidelines is
>> >> the starting point. If we wait until we get all the details
>worked
>> >out,
>> >wait
>> >> until everyone is consulted, wait until it is ready to be voted
>on,
>> >before
>> >we
>> >> ever put down in a first proposal of what, how, who, when .....
>it
>> >will
>> >never
>> >> be accomplished. There will be time for input from all parties
>> >before the
>> >> final product is ready for a vote.
>> >>
>> >> Gary White
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --- On Mon, 3/21/11, cheryl deaton <region15kids@hotmail.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: cheryl deaton <region15kids@hotmail.com>
>> >> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
>> >> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> >> Date: Monday, March 21, 2011, 10:58 AM
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I still think that August 1, 2011 is too early. Take into
>account
>> >that we
>> >> will need some input from foreign iris societies and
>hybridizers,
>> >not to
>> >> mention input from sections, and summer is right smack in the
>> >middle of
>> >> shipping season for major gardens. We should be able to get some
>> >input from
>> >> Australia/New Zealand since it is their fall season, but getting
>> >guidelines
>> >> into place by August first is not feasible. Gathering
>suggestions,
>> >ideas,
>> >> and
>> >> information etc. would be in the infant stages with that
>timeframe.
>> >Not
>> >ready
>> >> to propose suggested guidelines.
>> >> Cheryl
>> >>
>> >> > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 08:04:49 -0700
>> >> > From: in2iris@yahoo.com
>> >> > Subject: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
>> >> > To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> >> >
>> >> > I wish to amend my motion to:
>> >> >
>> >> > A) The AIS Registrar shall begin requesting volunteer image
>> >submission
>> >> > with registrations. Images shall be accepted by the Registrar,
>> >archived
>> >in
>> >> > the
>> >> > AIS Library, and displayed on the Iris Encyclopedia.
>Submission
>> >of images
>> >> to
>> >> > the AIS constitutes permission for any and all AIS uses.
>> >> >
>> >> > B) The AIS President shall appoint a registration committee to
>> >facilitate
>> >> > implementation of registration image collection, archiving,
>and
>> >> disposition.
>> >> > This committee shall propose suggested guidelines for
>> >registration images
>> >> by
>> >> > August 1, 2011.
>> >> >
>> >> > Gary White
>> >> >
>> >> >
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