Re: Emembership

[John Jones <jijones@usjoneses.com>]

Anyone who has paid or pays to join during the free trial period will get the number of years they paid for starting when the free trial is over.

I hope less than two weeks and we are making progress.

People are not joining unless they pay and then the abpve applies.

Free usage just means they get to use the temporary ID and PW until we cancel it.

John


On Oct 18, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Jill Bonino wrote:

> Are we going to refund the monies already paid for Emembership or start the Emembership year for those people when the system is working? 
> 
> Any estimate for how long it will take for the system to be up and running?  
> 
> Once the "free trial" is over, will those who joined when it was "free" then have to pay for further access or will they get a year "free"? 
> 
> Jill
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Judy Keisling <keisling@swbell.net>
>> Sent: Oct 17, 2011 11:58 AM
>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>> 
>> Jill,  
>> 
>> John would be the one to answer this question.  However, based on a
>> discussion I 
>> had with him last night, the free trial will end as soon as the
>> system is 
>> working properly - that is to say, until the enrollment process
>> problem can be 
>> resolved.  
>> 
>> 
>> The free trial was put into place so that those
>> who tried to enroll and paid 
>> through PayPal would not be "frustrated."
>> Actually, the free trial may be a good thing.  People who take advantage of it
>> while it lasts may get "hooked" on emembership and actually join when the
>> enrollment issue is resolved.
>> 
>> Judy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From:
>> Jill Bonino <aistreas@earthlink.net>
>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> Sent: Mon,
>> October 17, 2011 1:49:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>> 
>> John &
>> Judy..
>> 
>> How long is the "free trial" going to be open?  Frankly, we need all
>> of the 
>> income we can get NOW.  
>> 
>> 
>> Jill
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:
>> John Jones <jijones@usjoneses.com>
>>> Sent: Oct 17, 2011 8:45 AM
>>> To:
>> aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>> 
>>> Bob,
>>> 
>>> We
>> can talk tomorrow morning. I have put a temporary solution in place. 
>>> 
>>> With
>> President Keisling's concurrence I have modified the website to provide
>>> emembership as a free trial for a limited time.
>>> 
>>> So now anyone can use it
>> with the temporary ID and Password. Not only solves the 
>>> current problem, 
>> but it is good marketing too.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> On Oct 17, 2011, at 7:42 AM, Robert
>> Pries wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Sorry, I missed your call. Thats pretty late for me but I
>> will stay up. I think 
>>>> we can solve this.
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message
>> -----
>>>> From: "John Jones" <jijones@usjoneses.com>
>>>> To:
>> aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:31:39 AM
>>>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>>> 
>>>> I have always been open to new
>> ideas. I've been thinking out of the box my 
>>>> entire career starting with the
>> Navy (you try getting the Navy to do something 
>>>> different  <grin>)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> Tried calling you this morning. I am working today so we can try tonight after
>>>> 7:30 PDT
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> On Oct 17, 2011, at 4:03 AM, Robert Pries wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> John; I am willing to do everything I can to help. I have some ideas that
>> might 
>>>>> solve the problems. Give me a call if you are willing to think out
>> of the box.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "John Jones"
>> <jijones@usjoneses.com>
>>>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>> Sent: Sunday,
>> October 16, 2011 1:39:32 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>> I would like to be clear about the situation:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am sorry for the
>> confusion and problems we are having. They are my fault 
>>>>> certainly not
>> Tom's.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The problems are not with the e-service per-se but with the
>> enrollment process. 
>>>>> I thought that the enrollment process had been
>> properly implemented in its test 
>>>>> mode some time ago and did not properly
>> vet the process prior to making the 
>>>>> announcement.  I apologize. I had been
>> concentration on getting the software 
>>>>> pieces together to display the
>> bulletins and BIC that I neglected to verify the 
>>>>> enrollment process.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The issue is not as straight forward as some might like to think. It
>> involves 
>>>>> several different types of operating systems and security
>> protocols. 
>>>>> Architecturally, I understand it, but from a programming
>> perspective it is 
>>>>> beyond my skill level; which is why we are using Chris
>> at Mallorn to do the 
>>>>> implementation. Even for him there have been some
>> significant challenges. We are 
>>>>> woking on it, but we are only two. This
>> process does not lend itself to 
>>>>> collaborative development except in
>> professional environments with lots of 
>>>>> money.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't see in any
>> of the motions implementing emembership a requirement for 
>>>>> automatic
>> renewal using PayPal. I will look into it after we get past the first
>>>>> implementation phase. Certainly a nice thing but hardly a show stopper. I
>> would 
>>>>> also want to know that the Membership Secretary would want that.
>> There are 
>>>>> record keeping things that he needs. We also don't do that for
>> AIS paper 
>>>>> memberships subscribed to through PayPal.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As to how
>> fast the Daylily site responds. They are probably using an automatic
>>>>> system to generate IDs and passwords, require certain characteristics for
>>>>> passwords etc.. Then you have to have a system to regenerate passwords,
>> confirm 
>>>>> IDs send email to the address of record etc. Most big subscription
>> sites have 
>>>>> all that. All it takes is programmers, time, and money. It also
>> takes some 
>>>>> flexibility away from us like monitoring AIS membership for
>> judges training 
>>>>> requirements. Yeah we could probably figure out a way to
>> get the information out 
>>>>> of an automatic system but again - programming,
>> time, and money.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am not saying that we cannot or won't do that, but
>> not now. If there is 
>>>>> someone in our ranks that has the programming skills
>> and is willing to donate 
>>>>> their time I would love to move all our services
>> onto one host. If you know of 
>>>>> someone with that considerable skill set,
>> please let me know.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Meanwhile, I have set up a temporary account
>> ID: Temporary  Password: Irises  
>>>>> that anyone may use. To get to the
>> emembers section go to the AIS website home 
>>>>> page (http://www.irises.org)
>> and click on the "Emembers" button on the right 
>>>>> hand side just above our
>> logo.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You will be able to access the online Bulletins and BIC. If you
>> select 
>>>>> Irisregister, you will be asked for the ID and PW again. That is
>> just the way it 
>>>>> is, at least for now. Don't bother commenting about it, we
>> will get that 
>>>>> eliminated when we can.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct
>> 16, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Robert Pries wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tom; I am pleased this is
>> being worked on. I would like to remind the group of 
>>>>>> some another
>> parameter that were supposed to be functional and does not seem to 
>>>>>> be
>> there. The one reason we made the Emembership for a year at a time was that
>>>>>> PayPal offers an option to have the payment automatically renewed when it
>>>>>> expires. Thus Three year memberships etc. are not necessary to have
>> membership 
>>>>>> continue. It seems this choice was left off the PayPal. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Tom Gormley"
>> <gormleygreenery@gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>>> Sent:
>> Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:41:50 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bob & All,
>>>>>> You are correct that it should have happened within
>> hours if not minutes.
>>>>>> Unfortunately the news that it was ready to go was
>> optimistic at best. 
>> There
>>>>>> are still two or three components that need to
>> be fixed before the
>>>>>> emembership function is working. I am working with
>> John Jones to get these
>>>>>> resolved and apologize to those who believed what
>> we said. I'm hopeful that
>>>>>> these issues will be resolved this weekend.
>>>>>> Tom Gormley
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Robert Pries
>>>>>> <robertpries@embarqmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My payment cleared
>> immediately and I got an acknowledgement from PayPal
>>>>>>> that the amount had
>> been paid immediately but it has been almost a week (I
>>>>>>> signed up when
>> John announced it) and no password or access. As a test I
>>>>>>> joined the
>> daylily Society. In seconds I recieved back a letter from their
>>>>>>> 
>> president thanking me for joining and saying i could immediately access
>>>>>>> 
>> their website. This is how this is supposed to work. Ironically before I
>>>>>>> 
>> joined the Daylily society there was a warning that it might take a little
>>>>>>> time for the membership to be approved so i did not expect it for at
>> least 
>>> a
>>>>>>> couple of hours. But as I said within seconds I was perusing
>> their members
>>>>>>> site, another whole story. I had hopes we could bring the
>> Iris Society up 
>>> to
>>>>>>> the standards expected in todays world but that
>> does not seem possible.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> 
>> From: "cheryl deaton" <region15kids@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> To:
>> aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 9:34:12 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> More than likely you
>> will get the information from the AISMemSec once the
>>>>>>> payment has
>> cleared.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: irismom@nc.rr.com
>>>>>>>> To:
>> aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>>>>>>> 
>> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:35:12 -0400
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I signed up for
>> E-membership on Wednesday; it's now Saturday. How do I
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> the
>> userID to access my E-membership?
>>>>>>>> Susan Grigg
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org [mailto:
>>>>>>> owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org]
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of John Jones
>>>>>>>> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:21 AM
>>>>>>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Emembership is now
>> available. Interested subscribers can join via the AIS
>>>>>>>> PayPal page or
>> directly with the AIS Membership
>>>>>>>> Secretary. Emembership is separate
>> from the conventional AIS membership.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We are working on making
>> the current subscribers to irisregister.com
>>>>>>>> emembers but still have a
>> few snags to work through. Irisregister
>>>>>>>> subscribers will continue to
>> have full access to irisregister.com while
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> fix this problem.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The news page on the AIS website says:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The AIS
>> announces a new membership service - Electronic Membership.
>>>>>>>> Emembership
>> is separate from the normal AIS membership. Emembers do not
>>>>>>>> receive
>> printed copies of the AIS Bulletins. Instead, they have access to
>>>>>>>> 
>> online AIS Bulletins using an easy to use viewer. Emembers also have
>>>>>>> 
>> access
>>>>>>>> to online viewing of The Basic Iris Culture booklet and
>> automatic access
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> irisregister.com, the online iris
>> registration database. Addtitional
>>>>>>>> services may be made available in
>> the future. Click on Join Emembership
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> become an Emember
>> online. Current subscribers to irisregister.com will
>>>>>>>> automatically be
>> made AIS Emembers after we work through a few glitches.
>>>>>>>> Emembers will
>> need the Adobe Flash Player to view the online
>>>>>>> publications.
>>>>>>>> The
>> Flash player is free and may be downloaded from
>>>>>>>> 
>> http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>> 
>> _____________________________
>>>>>>>> John Jones
>>>>>>>> Director, American Iris
>> Society
>>>>>>>> Chair, Electronic Services Committee
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Tom Gormley
>>>>>> P. O. Box 177, De Leon Springs, FL 32130
>>>>>> Phone &
>> Fax-386-277-2057
>>>>>> gormleygreenery@gmail.com
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> __________________ 
>>>>> 
>> John I Jones
>>>>> Registrar-Recorder
>>>>> American Iris Society
>>>>> 
>> aisregistrar@irises.org
>>>>> 
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