Re: Emembership

[Judy Keisling <keisling@swbell.net>]

See my responses under each question. 

________________________________
From: Jill Bonino <aistreas@earthlink.net>
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
Sent:
Tue, October 18, 2011 11:02:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
Judy: I propose that for those people who have already paid for Emembership
that 
their "year" begin on the day the system is working. That way they truly
receive 
a year's membership.  It would not be fair to consider the time
between they 
paid and when the system is actually working as part of their
year's membership.


Any estimate for how long it will take for the system to
be up and running?  
Judy: This would be a response from John.

Once the "free
trial" is over, will those who joined when it was "free" then 
have to pay for
further access or will they get a year "free"? 

Judy:   If an individual
actually paid for Ememebership during the free trial 
period, then my answer
to your first question would apply.  


Jill

  




-----Original
Message-----
>From: Judy Keisling <keisling@swbell.net>
>Sent: Oct 17, 2011
11:58 AM
>To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>
>Jill,  
>
>John would be the one to answer this question.  However, based on
a
>discussion I 
>had with him last night, the free trial will end as soon as
the
>system is 
>working properly - that is to say, until the enrollment
process
>problem can be 
>resolved.  
>
>
>The free trial was put into place
so that those
>who tried to enroll and paid 
>through PayPal would not be
"frustrated."
>Actually, the free trial may be a good thing.  People who take
advantage of it
>while it lasts may get "hooked" on emembership and actually
join when the
>enrollment issue is resolved.
>
>Judy
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From:
>Jill Bonino <aistreas@earthlink.net>
>To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>Sent: Mon,
>October 17, 2011 1:49:12 PM
>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>
>John &
>Judy..
>
>How long is the
"free trial" going to be open?  Frankly, we need all
>of the 
>income we can
get NOW.  
>
>
>Jill
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From:
>John Jones
<jijones@usjoneses.com>
>>Sent: Oct 17, 2011 8:45 AM
>>To:
>aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>
>>Bob,
>>
>>We
>can talk tomorrow morning. I have put a temporary solution in place. 
>>
>>With
>President Keisling's concurrence I have modified the website to
provide
>>emembership as a free trial for a limited time.
>>
>>So now anyone
can use it
>with the temporary ID and Password. Not only solves the 
>>current
problem, 
>but it is good marketing too.
>>
>>John
>>
>>On Oct 17, 2011, at
7:42 AM, Robert
>Pries wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I missed your call. Thats pretty
late for me but I
>will stay up. I think 
>>>we can solve this.
>>> 
>>> -----
Original Message
>-----
>>> From: "John Jones" <jijones@usjoneses.com>
>>> To:
>aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:31:39 AM
>>>
>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>> 
>>> I have always been open to new
>ideas. I've been thinking out of the box my 
>>>entire career starting with
the
>Navy (you try getting the Navy to do something 
>>>different  <grin>)
>>>
>>>
>Tried calling you this morning. I am working today so we can try tonight
after
>>>7:30 PDT
>>> 
>>> John
>>> On Oct 17, 2011, at 4:03 AM, Robert Pries
wrote:
>>>
>>>> John; I am willing to do everything I can to help. I have some
ideas that
>might 
>>>>solve the problems. Give me a call if you are willing
to think out
>of the box.
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From:
"John Jones"
><jijones@usjoneses.com>
>>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>
Sent: Sunday,
>October 16, 2011 1:39:32 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss]
Emembership
>>>> 
>>>>
>I would like to be clear about the situation:
>>>>
>>>> I am sorry for the
>confusion and problems we are having. They are my
fault 
>>>>certainly not
>Tom's.
>>>> 
>>>> The problems are not with the
e-service per-se but with the
>enrollment process. 
>>>>I thought that the
enrollment process had been
>properly implemented in its test 
>>>>mode some
time ago and did not properly
>vet the process prior to making the
>>>>announcement.  I apologize. I had been
>concentration on getting the
software 
>>>>pieces together to display the
>bulletins and BIC that I
neglected to verify the 
>>>>enrollment process.
>>>>
>>>> The issue is not as
straight forward as some might like to think. It
>involves 
>>>>several
different types of operating systems and security
>protocols.
>>>>Architecturally, I understand it, but from a programming
>perspective it
is 
>>>>beyond my skill level; which is why we are using Chris
>at Mallorn to
do the 
>>>>implementation. Even for him there have been some
>significant
challenges. We are 
>>>>woking on it, but we are only two. This
>process does
not lend itself to 
>>>>collaborative development except in
>professional
environments with lots of 
>>>>money.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't see in any
>of the
motions implementing emembership a requirement for 
>>>>automatic
>renewal
using PayPal. I will look into it after we get past the first
>>>>implementation phase. Certainly a nice thing but hardly a show stopper. I
>would 
>>>>also want to know that the Membership Secretary would want that.
>There are 
>>>>record keeping things that he needs. We also don't do that for
>AIS paper 
>>>>memberships subscribed to through PayPal.
>>>> 
>>>> As to how
>fast the Daylily site responds. They are probably using an automatic
>>>>system to generate IDs and passwords, require certain characteristics for
>>>>passwords etc.. Then you have to have a system to regenerate passwords,
>confirm 
>>>>IDs send email to the address of record etc. Most big
subscription
>sites have 
>>>>all that. All it takes is programmers, time, and
money. It also
>takes some 
>>>>flexibility away from us like monitoring AIS
membership for
>judges training 
>>>>requirements. Yeah we could probably
figure out a way to
>get the information out 
>>>>of an automatic system but
again - programming,
>time, and money.
>>>> 
>>>> I am not saying that we
cannot or won't do that, but
>not now. If there is 
>>>>someone in our ranks
that has the programming skills
>and is willing to donate 
>>>>their time I
would love to move all our services
>onto one host. If you know of
>>>>someone with that considerable skill set,
>please let me know.
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, I have set up a temporary account
>ID: Temporary  Password:
Irises  
>>>>that anyone may use. To get to the
>emembers section go to the
AIS website home 
>>>>page (http://www.irises.org)
>and click on the
"Emembers" button on the right 
>>>>hand side just above our
>logo.
>>>> 
>>>>
You will be able to access the online Bulletins and BIC. If you
>select
>>>>Irisregister, you will be asked for the ID and PW again. That is
>just the
way it 
>>>>is, at least for now. Don't bother commenting about it, we
>will
get that 
>>>>eliminated when we can.
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct
>16, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Robert Pries wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Tom; I am pleased this
is
>being worked on. I would like to remind the group of 
>>>>>some another
>parameter that were supposed to be functional and does not seem to 
>>>>>be
>there. The one reason we made the Emembership for a year at a time was that
>>>>>PayPal offers an option to have the payment automatically renewed when it
>>>>>expires. Thus Three year memberships etc. are not necessary to have
>membership 
>>>>>continue. It seems this choice was left off the PayPal.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Tom Gormley"
><gormleygreenery@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>> Sent:
>Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:41:50 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss]
Emembership
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bob & All,
>>>>> You are correct that it should have
happened within
>hours if not minutes.
>>>>> Unfortunately the news that it
was ready to go was
>optimistic at best. 
>There
>>>>> are still two or three
components that need to
>be fixed before the
>>>>> emembership function is
working. I am working with
>John Jones to get these
>>>>> resolved and
apologize to those who believed what
>we said. I'm hopeful that
>>>>> these
issues will be resolved this weekend.
>>>>> Tom Gormley
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun,
Oct 16, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Robert Pries
>>>>><robertpries@embarqmail.com>wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> My payment cleared
>immediately and I got an acknowledgement
from PayPal
>>>>>> that the amount had
>been paid immediately but it has been
almost a week (I
>>>>>> signed up when
>John announced it) and no password or
access. As a test I
>>>>>> joined the
>daylily Society. In seconds I recieved
back a letter from their
>>>>>>
>president thanking me for joining and saying
i could immediately access
>>>>>>
>their website. This is how this is supposed
to work. Ironically before I
>>>>>>
>joined the Daylily society there was a
warning that it might take a little
>>>>>> time for the membership to be
approved so i did not expect it for at
>least 
>>a
>>>>>> couple of hours. But
as I said within seconds I was perusing
>their members
>>>>>> site, another
whole story. I had hopes we could bring the
>Iris Society up 
>>to
>>>>>> the
standards expected in todays world but that
>does not seem possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>
>From: "cheryl deaton"
<region15kids@hotmail.com>
>>>>>> To:
>aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>>> Sent:
Saturday, October 15, 2011 9:34:12 PM
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss]
Emembership
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> More than likely you
>will get the information from
the AISMemSec once the
>>>>>> payment has
>cleared.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
From: irismom@nc.rr.com
>>>>>>> To:
>aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>>>> Subject:
RE: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>>>>>>
>Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:35:12 -0400
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I signed up for
>E-membership on Wednesday; it's now
Saturday. How do I
>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> the
>userID to access my E-membership?
>>>>>>> Susan Grigg
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From:
owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org [mailto:
>>>>>> owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of John Jones
>>>>>>>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011
11:21 AM
>>>>>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [AISdiscuss]
Emembership
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Emembership is now
>available. Interested
subscribers can join via the AIS
>>>>>>> PayPal page or
>directly with the AIS
Membership
>>>>>>> Secretary. Emembership is separate
>from the conventional
AIS membership.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We are working on making
>the current
subscribers to irisregister.com
>>>>>>> emembers but still have a
>few snags
to work through. Irisregister
>>>>>>> subscribers will continue to
>have full
access to irisregister.com while
>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> fix this problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The news page on the AIS website says:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The AIS
>announces a new membership service - Electronic Membership.
>>>>>>>
Emembership
>is separate from the normal AIS membership. Emembers do not
>>>>>>> receive
>printed copies of the AIS Bulletins. Instead, they have
access to
>>>>>>>
>online AIS Bulletins using an easy to use viewer. Emembers
also have
>>>>>>
>access
>>>>>>> to online viewing of The Basic Iris Culture
booklet and
>automatic access
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> irisregister.com, the online
iris
>registration database. Addtitional
>>>>>>> services may be made
available in
>the future. Click on Join Emembership
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> become
an Emember
>online. Current subscribers to irisregister.com will
>>>>>>>
automatically be
>made AIS Emembers after we work through a few glitches.
>>>>>>> Emembers will
>need the Adobe Flash Player to view the online
>>>>>>
publications.
>>>>>>> The
>Flash player is free and may be downloaded from
>>>>>>>
>http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>_____________________________
>>>>>>> John Jones
>>>>>>> Director, American
Iris
>Society
>>>>>>> Chair, Electronic Services Committee
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>
--
>>>>> Tom Gormley
>>>>> P. O. Box 177, De Leon Springs, FL 32130
>>>>>
Phone &
>Fax-386-277-2057
>>>>> gormleygreenery@gmail.com
>>>>> 
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>>>> __________________ 
>>>>
>John I Jones
>>>> Registrar-Recorder
>>>> American Iris Society
>>>>
>aisregistrar@irises.org
>>>> 
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>>>
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>Jones
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Are we going to refund the monies already paid for Emembership or start the
Emembership year for those people when the system is working?

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