Re: Emembership


BROVO - to John for all his hard work!

Janet

---- Original Message ----
From: jijones@usjoneses.com
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 20:43:50 -0700

>Anyone who has paid or pays to join during the free trial period will
>get the number of years they paid for starting when the free trial is
>over.
>
>I hope less than two weeks and we are making progress.
>
>People are not joining unless they pay and then the abpve applies.
>
>Free usage just means they get to use the temporary ID and PW until
>we cancel it.
>
>John
>
>
>On Oct 18, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Jill Bonino wrote:
>
>> Are we going to refund the monies already paid for Emembership or
>start the Emembership year for those people when the system is
>working? 
>> 
>> Any estimate for how long it will take for the system to be up and
>running?  
>> 
>> Once the "free trial" is over, will those who joined when it was
>"free" then have to pay for further access or will they get a year
>"free"? 
>> 
>> Jill
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Judy Keisling <keisling@swbell.net>
>>> Sent: Oct 17, 2011 11:58 AM
>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>> 
>>> Jill,  
>>> 
>>> John would be the one to answer this question.  However, based on
>a
>>> discussion I 
>>> had with him last night, the free trial will end as soon as the
>>> system is 
>>> working properly - that is to say, until the enrollment process
>>> problem can be 
>>> resolved.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The free trial was put into place so that those
>>> who tried to enroll and paid 
>>> through PayPal would not be "frustrated."
>>> Actually, the free trial may be a good thing.  People who take
>advantage of it
>>> while it lasts may get "hooked" on emembership and actually join
>when the
>>> enrollment issue is resolved.
>>> 
>>> Judy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From:
>>> Jill Bonino <aistreas@earthlink.net>
>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>> Sent: Mon,
>>> October 17, 2011 1:49:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>> 
>>> John &
>>> Judy..
>>> 
>>> How long is the "free trial" going to be open?  Frankly, we need
>all
>>> of the 
>>> income we can get NOW.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jill
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:
>>> John Jones <jijones@usjoneses.com>
>>>> Sent: Oct 17, 2011 8:45 AM
>>>> To:
>>> aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>>> 
>>>> Bob,
>>>> 
>>>> We
>>> can talk tomorrow morning. I have put a temporary solution in
>place. 
>>>> 
>>>> With
>>> President Keisling's concurrence I have modified the website to
>provide
>>>> emembership as a free trial for a limited time.
>>>> 
>>>> So now anyone can use it
>>> with the temporary ID and Password. Not only solves the 
>>>> current problem, 
>>> but it is good marketing too.
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 17, 2011, at 7:42 AM, Robert
>>> Pries wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry, I missed your call. Thats pretty late for me but I
>>> will stay up. I think 
>>>>> we can solve this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message
>>> -----
>>>>> From: "John Jones" <jijones@usjoneses.com>
>>>>> To:
>>> aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:31:39 AM
>>>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have always been open to new
>>> ideas. I've been thinking out of the box my 
>>>>> entire career starting with the
>>> Navy (you try getting the Navy to do something 
>>>>> different  <grin>)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> Tried calling you this morning. I am working today so we can try
>tonight after
>>>>> 7:30 PDT
>>>>> 
>>>>> John
>>>>> On Oct 17, 2011, at 4:03 AM, Robert Pries wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> John; I am willing to do everything I can to help. I have some
>ideas that
>>> might 
>>>>>> solve the problems. Give me a call if you are willing to think
>out
>>> of the box.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "John Jones"
>>> <jijones@usjoneses.com>
>>>>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday,
>>> October 16, 2011 1:39:32 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>> I would like to be clear about the situation:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am sorry for the
>>> confusion and problems we are having. They are my fault 
>>>>>> certainly not
>>> Tom's.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The problems are not with the e-service per-se but with the
>>> enrollment process. 
>>>>>> I thought that the enrollment process had been
>>> properly implemented in its test 
>>>>>> mode some time ago and did not properly
>>> vet the process prior to making the 
>>>>>> announcement.  I apologize. I had been
>>> concentration on getting the software 
>>>>>> pieces together to display the
>>> bulletins and BIC that I neglected to verify the 
>>>>>> enrollment process.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The issue is not as straight forward as some might like to
>think. It
>>> involves 
>>>>>> several different types of operating systems and security
>>> protocols. 
>>>>>> Architecturally, I understand it, but from a programming
>>> perspective it is 
>>>>>> beyond my skill level; which is why we are using Chris
>>> at Mallorn to do the 
>>>>>> implementation. Even for him there have been some
>>> significant challenges. We are 
>>>>>> woking on it, but we are only two. This
>>> process does not lend itself to 
>>>>>> collaborative development except in
>>> professional environments with lots of 
>>>>>> money.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't see in any
>>> of the motions implementing emembership a requirement for 
>>>>>> automatic
>>> renewal using PayPal. I will look into it after we get past the
>first
>>>>>> implementation phase. Certainly a nice thing but hardly a show
>stopper. I
>>> would 
>>>>>> also want to know that the Membership Secretary would want
>that.
>>> There are 
>>>>>> record keeping things that he needs. We also don't do that for
>>> AIS paper 
>>>>>> memberships subscribed to through PayPal.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As to how
>>> fast the Daylily site responds. They are probably using an
>automatic
>>>>>> system to generate IDs and passwords, require certain
>characteristics for
>>>>>> passwords etc.. Then you have to have a system to regenerate
>passwords,
>>> confirm 
>>>>>> IDs send email to the address of record etc. Most big
>subscription
>>> sites have 
>>>>>> all that. All it takes is programmers, time, and money. It also
>>> takes some 
>>>>>> flexibility away from us like monitoring AIS membership for
>>> judges training 
>>>>>> requirements. Yeah we could probably figure out a way to
>>> get the information out 
>>>>>> of an automatic system but again - programming,
>>> time, and money.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am not saying that we cannot or won't do that, but
>>> not now. If there is 
>>>>>> someone in our ranks that has the programming skills
>>> and is willing to donate 
>>>>>> their time I would love to move all our services
>>> onto one host. If you know of 
>>>>>> someone with that considerable skill set,
>>> please let me know.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Meanwhile, I have set up a temporary account
>>> ID: Temporary  Password: Irises  
>>>>>> that anyone may use. To get to the
>>> emembers section go to the AIS website home 
>>>>>> page (http://www.irises.org)
>>> and click on the "Emembers" button on the right 
>>>>>> hand side just above our
>>> logo.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You will be able to access the online Bulletins and BIC. If you
>>> select 
>>>>>> Irisregister, you will be asked for the ID and PW again. That
>is
>>> just the way it 
>>>>>> is, at least for now. Don't bother commenting about it, we
>>> will get that 
>>>>>> eliminated when we can.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct
>>> 16, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Robert Pries wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tom; I am pleased this is
>>> being worked on. I would like to remind the group of 
>>>>>>> some another
>>> parameter that were supposed to be functional and does not seem to
>
>>>>>>> be
>>> there. The one reason we made the Emembership for a year at a time
>was that
>>>>>>> PayPal offers an option to have the payment automatically
>renewed when it
>>>>>>> expires. Thus Three year memberships etc. are not necessary to
>have
>>> membership 
>>>>>>> continue. It seems this choice was left off the PayPal. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Tom Gormley"
>>> <gormleygreenery@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>>>> Sent:
>>> Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:41:50 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bob & All,
>>>>>>> You are correct that it should have happened within
>>> hours if not minutes.
>>>>>>> Unfortunately the news that it was ready to go was
>>> optimistic at best. 
>>> There
>>>>>>> are still two or three components that need to
>>> be fixed before the
>>>>>>> emembership function is working. I am working with
>>> John Jones to get these
>>>>>>> resolved and apologize to those who believed what
>>> we said. I'm hopeful that
>>>>>>> these issues will be resolved this weekend.
>>>>>>> Tom Gormley
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Robert Pries
>>>>>>> <robertpries@embarqmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> My payment cleared
>>> immediately and I got an acknowledgement from PayPal
>>>>>>>> that the amount had
>>> been paid immediately but it has been almost a week (I
>>>>>>>> signed up when
>>> John announced it) and no password or access. As a test I
>>>>>>>> joined the
>>> daylily Society. In seconds I recieved back a letter from their
>>>>>>>> 
>>> president thanking me for joining and saying i could immediately
>access
>>>>>>>> 
>>> their website. This is how this is supposed to work. Ironically
>before I
>>>>>>>> 
>>> joined the Daylily society there was a warning that it might take
>a little
>>>>>>>> time for the membership to be approved so i did not expect it
>for at
>>> least 
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> couple of hours. But as I said within seconds I was perusing
>>> their members
>>>>>>>> site, another whole story. I had hopes we could bring the
>>> Iris Society up 
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> the standards expected in todays world but that
>>> does not seem possible.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> 
>>> From: "cheryl deaton" <region15kids@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To:
>>> aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 9:34:12 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> More than likely you
>>> will get the information from the AISMemSec once the
>>>>>>>> payment has
>>> cleared.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From: irismom@nc.rr.com
>>>>>>>>> To:
>>> aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>>>>>>>> 
>>> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:35:12 -0400
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I signed up for
>>> E-membership on Wednesday; it's now Saturday. How do I
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> the
>>> userID to access my E-membership?
>>>>>>>>> Susan Grigg
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org [mailto:
>>>>>>>> owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org]
>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of John Jones
>>>>>>>>> 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:21 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Emembership is now
>>> available. Interested subscribers can join via the AIS
>>>>>>>>> PayPal page or
>>> directly with the AIS Membership
>>>>>>>>> Secretary. Emembership is separate
>>> from the conventional AIS membership.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We are working on making
>>> the current subscribers to irisregister.com
>>>>>>>>> emembers but still have a
>>> few snags to work through. Irisregister
>>>>>>>>> subscribers will continue to
>>> have full access to irisregister.com while
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> fix this problem.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The news page on the AIS website says:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The AIS
>>> announces a new membership service - Electronic Membership.
>>>>>>>>> Emembership
>>> is separate from the normal AIS membership. Emembers do not
>>>>>>>>> receive
>>> printed copies of the AIS Bulletins. Instead, they have access to
>>>>>>>>> 
>>> online AIS Bulletins using an easy to use viewer. Emembers also
>have
>>>>>>>> 
>>> access
>>>>>>>>> to online viewing of The Basic Iris Culture booklet and
>>> automatic access
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> irisregister.com, the online iris
>>> registration database. Addtitional
>>>>>>>>> services may be made available in
>>> the future. Click on Join Emembership
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> become an Emember
>>> online. Current subscribers to irisregister.com will
>>>>>>>>> automatically be
>>> made AIS Emembers after we work through a few glitches.
>>>>>>>>> Emembers will
>>> need the Adobe Flash Player to view the online
>>>>>>>> publications.
>>>>>>>>> The
>>> Flash player is free and may be downloaded from
>>>>>>>>> 
>>> http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>> 
>>> _____________________________
>>>>>>>>> John Jones
>>>>>>>>> Director, American Iris
>>> Society
>>>>>>>>> Chair, Electronic Services Committee
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>
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>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Tom Gormley
>>>>>>> P. O. Box 177, De Leon Springs, FL 32130
>>>>>>> Phone &
>>> Fax-386-277-2057
>>>>>>> gormleygreenery@gmail.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> __________________ 
>>>>>> 
>>> John I Jones
>>>>>> Registrar-Recorder
>>>>>> American Iris Society
>>>>>> 
>>> aisregistrar@irises.org
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>
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>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> __________________ 
>>>>> John I
>>> Jones
>>>>> Registrar-Recorder
>>>>> American Iris Society
>>>>> 
>>> aisregistrar@irises.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>
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>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> __________________ 
>>>> John I Jones
>>>> Registrar-Recorder
>>>> American Iris Society
>>>> aisregistrar@irises.org
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>
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>__________________ 
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>Registrar-Recorder
>American Iris Society
>aisregistrar@irises.org
>
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