Re: Motion to remove the operations manual from theWiki

["Janet Smith" <ypauls@sti.net>]

Michelle, the 11th edition is much easier to read - Amazon.com has it.
Fresno Iris Society uses the 11th edition a lot.  I have one as
Secretary.

Janet Smith

---- Original Message ----
From: AISSecretary@irises.org
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Motion to remove the operations manual from
theWiki
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:04:26 -0700

>I only have the revised 10 edition and it isn't the easiest to 
>understand, at least not to this lay person.  Anyway, for as far back
>as 
>I can remember, we have always allowed the members to voice their 
>opinion on an existing motion regarding changes but we have also had
>the 
>changes agreed to by the original motion maker and the second, or the
>
>originators have agreed to withdraw their motion.   From what I see
>from 
>Gary's email, it appears while the motion is pending it can be
>amended 
>several times during the discussion process.  It appears this could
>drag 
>out motions for a very long time.  If we accept the motion to amend
>as 
>presented, that amended motion would have to go through the
>discussion 
>and voting period (two weeks) and then the original motion, possibly
>as 
>amended, would have to go through the same process.  This seems like
>it 
>would stop any motion from going forward in a reasonable time frame. 
>
>Perhaps we should discuss this further at the spring board meeting
>and 
>Jim could contact our legal adviser and she could present a
>definitive 
>explanation of how this should work.  Have we been doing our
>amendments 
>to pending motions wrong all along?
>
>During our Spring and Fall board meetings motions have been amended a
>
>lot before being voted on.
>
>Michelle
>
>On 3/13/2013 9:26 AM, gary white wrote:
>> Please check Roberts Rules, pages 114-115 in Roberts Rules, newly
>revised 11th
>> edition.    Its true that BEFORE the motion has been announced, the
>original
>> motion holders can alter or amend the motion, but AFTER the motion
>has been
>> announced, the motion then belongs to the assembly and does not
>need the
>> approval of the original motion holders to be amended, but any
>member can
>> propose changes in a motion to amend.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Gary
>>
>> --- On Wed, 3/13/13, Michelle Snyder <AISSecretary@irises.org>
>wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Michelle Snyder <AISSecretary@irises.org>
>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Motion to remove the operations manual
>from the
>> Wiki
>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2013, 11:17 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The people who originally moved and seconded the motion need to
>agree to amend
>> their motion.  That is Susan Boyce and John Ludi.  If they agree I
>will send
>> the amended motion out.
>>
>> Michelle
>>
>> On 3/13/2013 8:17 AM, Ron Killingsworth wrote:
>>
>> I think the discussion the last day or so has been very productive.
> I do not
>> agree that the operations manual is of "critical importance" - this
>> organizations has operated for many years without it.  I do think
>it would be
>> nice to have a document that tells you what is expected of your
>job, having
>> been appointed to advertising editor and having nothing to help me
>determine
>> what the job really was/is or how to accomplish the job.  I have
>written a
>> proposed job description for advertising editor to go in the
>operations
>> manual.
>>
>> The general consensus of opinions expressed seems to be that the
>document
>> should be on the AIS web site and made easy to find, but that
>keeping it on
>> the Wiki Iris is also a good idea.  This poses the problem of
>updating both
>> versions but that should not be a problem.
>>
>> I therefore:
>>
>> Move to amend the motion to read:
>>
>> "That the Operations Manual be maintained on the Iris Wiki and that
>a copy of
>> the Operations Manual be placed on the AIS web site and that the
>web site be
>> indexed to allow easy access to the document."
>>
>> Would someone second this amendment?
>>
>> Ron Killingsworth
>> Director, AIS
>> Adv Editor
>>
>>
>> On 3/11/2013 23:43, Michelle Snyder wrote:
>>
>> Susan Boyce moved and John Ludi seconded the below motion.  As
>such, it is
>> officially out for discussion.
>>
>> "That the Operations Manual be removed from the Iris Wiki and be
>> posted on the AIS Website."
>>
>> Michelle Snyder
>> AIS Secretary
>>
>>
>>
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