Re: [AISdiscuss] AIS PayPal Webpage

[kludi@juno.com]

Hi all, 
Convention is over and now I can get back to other matters. 
At the November 2004 Board Meeting, the Board established a policy that
AIS will charge a 5% handling fee for any/all credit card transactions
for Section Publications that are ordered through the AIS Storefront. At
that time, what Jay Hudson pointed out as AIS cost for processing credit
card transactions is very much the same as what John J. has provided
pertaining to PayPal. 
Perhaps Jill can provide us a current comparison as to credit card cost
and PayPal cost. 
John Ludi
AIS Storefront
  
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:10:30 -0700 John I Jones <jijones@usjoneses.com>
writes:
> On Jun 7, 2006, at 12:29 PM, Robt R Pries wrote:
> 
> > I believe that it is likely that a payment for a
> > section is going to occur as part of the transaction
> > for renewal of AIS membership. Therefore unless people
> > are joining sections without joining AIS, the
> > transaction fee is moot.
> 
> I am not sure that it will be all that uncommon for people to do 
> individual section memberships. People may be renewing different 
> memberships at different times during the year. Many will remember 
> that 
> the AIS site is the place to go for any membership.
> 
> > The only part that needs to
> > be considered is the 2.9% of the totally transaction
> > which on a $10 section dues would be 30cents. If we
> > charged 30 cent for the transaction for each section
> > and the 30 cents that is the percentage of the
> > transaction to each section, than a person joining 3
> > sections would wind up having the AIS costs paid for
> > by the sections 3 transaction fees to the sections.
> 
> True, and our website costs us to maintain. The cost tot he section 
> 
> would be no more than if someone were to go to that sections website 
> 
> and do a PayPal transaction. That is the real point.
> 
> > The appearance would be that AIS is billing the
> > sections for its own paypal use.
> 
> No, it is merely the same cost that they would pay of they had their 
> 
> own PayPal page.
> 
> > Every section I
> > talked to has or is planning to have their own paypal
> > account so that people can join directly.
> 
> I have talked to several sections that do not plan on having their 
> own 
> PayPal page.
> 
> 
> > The Japanese
> > Iris society got theirs set up in a few hours on a
> > weekend.
> 
> Actually it takes several days to several weeks to set up the PayPal 
> 
> account depending whether you have online access to the bank account 
> 
> that is linked to to the PayPal account because you have to validate 
> 
> that several test deposits to the account.
> 
> Once you have the proper code snippets for your site it does not 
> take 
> long to set up a page if you have direct access to the website 
> server. 
> (Interestingly enough, you cannot use the PayPal Subscription 
> buttons 
> if you want members to be able to pay with something other than a 
> PayPal account. You have to use a standard produce button. The first 
> 
> two times I called PayPal support about that issue they could not 
> explain it to me)
> 
> It helps to have a full understanding of the context.
> 
> 
> > If we begin charging for a service that we
> > have been providing free in the past it tends to
> > further divide AIS from the sections. Since AIS has
> > not lead the way in this effort but is essentially
> > following section initiatives, I believe we have lost
> > the timimg for doing this as proposed.
> 
> I do not believe that is true or particularly relevant. Only one 
> society currently has a PayPal page and most of the others would 
> like 
> to use ours. SJI has not said they do not  want to be on ours even 
> though they do have their own.
> 
> >  If we had been
> > the first, then it would not be percieved as badly. I
> > would suggest now we need to think in terms of keeping
> > the present procedure of not billing, and the only
> > change is using paypal.
> 
> I disagree. It is a service of convenience that costs the other 
> society 
> no more than if they were doing it themselves.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> >
> >> When we process a PayPal (PP) payment we are charged
> >> 2.9% of the
> >> transaction value plus $.30 per transaction. Foreign
> >> currency
> >> transactions cost an additional 2.5% A multiple
> >> subscription
> >> transaction gets only a single transaction fee.
> >> ($.30).
> >>
> >> The question is how much do we remit to the other
> >> societies.
> >>
> >> We need to establish a standard as to how we charge
> >> the Sections and
> >> Cooperating Societies.
> >>
> >> I propose that we charge each non-AIS subscription
> >> the 2.9% and the
> >> $.30 transaction fee. That is the same amount that a
> >> Section and
> >> Cooperating Societie would be charged if they had
> >> their own PayPal
> >> service. This approach would allow Tom to use a
> >> simple lookup table to
> >> see how much to remit to the other group. It would
> >> mean that we would
> >> "earn" an additional $.30 for each subscription that
> >> came as part of a
> >> multiple subscription transaction.
> >>
> >> The same rate would apply to any non-AIS
> >> subscription that came in as a
> >> single transaction.
> >>
> >> The alternative would require Tom to calculate a
> >> separate charge for
> >> each subscription that came in as part of a multiple
> >> subscription
> >> transaction and distribute the Transaction Fee
> >> across all the
> >> subscriptions in a single transaction.
> >>
> >> In a separate discussion Tom Gormley has pointed
> >> out:
> >>
> >>> The existing arrangement we have with accepting
> >> credit card charges
> >>> for Offshore non-AIS Members and domestic
> >> AIS/Section members is that
> >>> we currently do not pass on the fees involved with
> >> these charges. This
> >>> is based on AIS Policy (see below) which is silent
> >> on the subject.
> >>>
> >>> It costs us $1.02 to process a $25.00 charge for
> >> AIS Members but since
> >>> most Section charges are about 30% of that I think
> >> we should continue
> >>> to provide this service gratis as a warm fuzzy to
> >> the Sections and
> >>> Co-ops. As Electronic payments (and membership)
> >> develop and grow we
> >>> can then revisit this issue. If we choose to
> >> charge them from the
> >>> get-go how do we handle our existing methodology
> >> on Section payments?
> >>>
> >>
> >> As far as I can tell through a search of the AIS
> >> minutes from 1988 thru
> >> 2003 the only mention of the Membership Secretary
> >> accepting credit card
> >> transactions is in Oct '97 when M. Harlow reported
> >> that she had sent
> >> out new ITJs that indicated the AIS would accept
> >> credit card
> >> transactions. There is no mention (that I could
> >> find) of whether AIS
> >> should or should not absorb the fee for a credit
> >> card transaction.
> >> There may have been a policy decision, but I cannot
> >> find mention of it.
> >>
> >> I propose (although I can't make this as a motion)
> >> that we no longer
> >> absorb the credit card charges for subscriptions to
> >> Sections and
> >> Cooperating Societies submitted to the membership
> >> office and that
> >> PayPal charges be deducted from the amounts remitted
> >> to the Sections
> >> and Cooperating Societies for subscriptions
> >> submitted thru the AIS
> >> PayPal page. If Sections and Cooperating Societies
> >> so choose they can
> >> specify an additional charge for credit card  or
> >> PayPal payments.
> >>
> >>> THE AMERICAN IRIS SOCIETY
> >>> CURRENT AIS MEMBERSHIP OFFICE POLICY CONCERNING
> >>> ACCEPTING DUES FOR SECTIONS AND COOPERATING
> >> SOCIETIES
> >>>
> >>> MARCH, 2002
> >>>
> >>> PLEASE FILE FOR REFERENCE AND PLEASE ENSURE THAT
> >> ONLY CORRECT
> >>> INFORMATION IS PUBLISHED TO YOUR MEMBERS
> >>>
> >>> The AlS Membership Office will accept dues for
> >> Sections and
> >>> Cooperating Societies when tendered by AIS members
> >> simultaneously with
> >>> their AIS dues and paid either by check, money
> >> order, or Visa or
> >>> MasterCard.
> >>>
> >>> All dues collected on behalf of Sections or
> >> Cooperating Societies are
> >>> forwarded by the AlS Membership Office to the
> >> appropriate recipients
> >>> during the first week of the month subsequent to
> >> the month in which
> >>> they were received by the Membership Office.
> >>>
> >>> As a special gesture of support to the Sections
> >> and Cooperating
> >>> Societies, the AlS Membership Office will accept
> >> dues from members of
> >>> these groups living outside the USA who are not
> >> also tendering AlS
> >>> dues simultaneously, including those who are not
> >> AlS members, when
> >>> those
> >>> persons pay with either Visa or MasterCard.
> >>>
> >>> Members of Sections or Cooperating Societies who
> >> live within the USA
> >>> and who are not paying AIS dues simultaneously
> >> should always send
> >>> their check for renewal directly to the membership
> >> chairman of the
> >>> appropriate Section or Cooperating Society.
> >>>
> >>> The AIS Membership Office does not accept charge
> >> payments for special
> >>> contributions to the Sections or Cooperating
> >> Societies.
> >>
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