RE: Motion for reinstatement of Photo Coordinator

["Terry Aitken" <terry@flowerfantasy.net>]

Hi All
As this discussion unfolds, it seems to me that the PHOTO COORDINATOR role
is more one of a networking person, maybe not even a photographer? Finding
someone with a vested interest in the subject suggests that it probably will
be a photographer. We really need someone who can find and keep track of a
lot of photographers via e-mail all around the country who grow many
different types of irises. For instance, in the bulletin, we seem to run
into problems with AB's, LA's, Species and PC's, occasionally, where we need
a picture. Where to go?
I'm not sure that a central resource is necessary (other than the WIKI). I
think thumbnails on the WIKI are fine that we can pull up on screen. Then,
where to go to to get the heavy duty stuff?
I suspect that computer crashes are not the problem they used to be where
people lost everything. Now, we have remote backups or even integrated
backups. The beauty of digital is that we can file stuff, pull up images in
minutes and transmit small or large images in minutes to someone else. We
don't need a central library (Other than the WIKI). Only someone responsible
for e=mails.
Just trying to keep this thing simple!
Terry

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org [mailto:owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org]
On Behalf Of Jeanne Plank
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 10:16 AM
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Motion for reinstatement of Photo Coordinator

I agree with Terry and Dennis:  We're talking about an exponentially
expanding field (photography and all the various the ways it's done).
Fluidity and flexibility is needed in every aspect of our attempts to
serve and to communicate with our members and the general public.
General ground rules and "chain of accounting" -- yes.  Severely
restrictive, finely definitive methods and mechanisms -- no.
    Jeanne
On Oct 17, 2009, at 5:39 AM, R. Dennis Hager wrote:

> I agree with John and Terry.
>
> To quote Jeff Tobe,  "When the rules are written, creativity stops."
>
> When the position would benefit from creative thinking, additional
> constraints will stop it. Some of the best magazine photography I
> have seen is outside the box of most photographers. The job
> description should focus on what the person does and who they
> answer to--not on how they do it.
>
> Dennis Hager
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Aitken"
> <terry@flowerfantasy.net>
> To: <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:50 AM
> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Motion for reinstatement of Photo
> Coordinator
>
>
>> I would agree with John.
>> The photo coordinator thing seems to be expanding like topsy. With
>> the
>> different functions there would be a need for different criteria.
>> Yup, keep it loose.
>> Terry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org [mailto:owner-
>> aisdiscuss@aisboard.org]
>> On Behalf Of John I Jones
>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:35 AM
>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Motion for reinstatement of Photo
>> Coordinator
>>
>> I don't think the digital characteristics should be included in the
>> job position. There are likely to be many and various requirements
>> for the digital photographs over time and  in my opinion It should be
>> up to the Coordinator and the person requesting the photo to
>> determine what is needed. We would not want to have to revise the job
>> description every time there is a new requirement.
>>
>> I suppose you could specify a resolution higher than anything you
>> might need it for, but then you would be requiring everyone to take
>> and save massive files suitable for poster size prints.
>>
>> As time goes by Imaging and processing changes, and the coordinator
>> will need to keep up. Perhaps another less formal document on
>> procedures would be better.
>>
>> Maybe guidelines for various typical uses (website, bulletin inside
>> photos, bulletin cover pictures, etc.) on the web site would be
>> appropriate.
>>
>> Just my $.02
>>
>> John
>> On Oct 16, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Jill Bonino wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to see a job description passed along with the motion
>>> to formalize the Photograph Coord position...I think this would be
>>> good whenever we add a new position to the Board/Committee family
>>> so that we get in the habit of documenting each position.
>>>
>>> This position description would include the minimum resolution
>>> required for photos, whether digital pics are the only ones
>>> acceptable, and who this position reports to.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Robert Pries <robertpries@embarqmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Oct 16, 2009 5:08 AM
>>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Motion for reinstatement of Photo
>>>> Coordinator
>>>>
>>>> Terry is correct that there will be a need for high resolution
>>>> photos. In fact
>>>> we have that need right now if we expect to have Iris pictured on
>>>> the cover of
>>>> any national magazine. Of course this hasn't happened recently,
>>>> perhaps
>>>> because an outsider would not know about the wonders of Rita.
>>>> Having an
>>>> organized process, such as I suggested, that would go into the job
>>>> description, ensures a bit of disaster planning. If you have a
>>>> system set up
>>>> and functioning,(perhaps promoted), it could stimulate its use by
>>>> garden
>>>> writers. We might see more interest in writng about Irises. If the
>>>> photographs
>>>> were cataloged well it we might be able to generate copyright fees
>>>> for AIS or
>>>> the photographer, depending on how it was going to be used.
>>>> Currently we are
>>>> dependent on a very small group of people who may not be thinking
>>>> in terms of
>>>> a cover shot. A photographic coordinator could reach out to
>>>> several good
>>>> photographers, at a convention for example, and get more people
>>>> involved.
>>>> Involving members is important to our health as an organization.
>>>> Discs are
>>>> easy to copy. If there is a concern that something may go into the
>>>> library and
>>>> never be seen again, it would not be too hard to make copies that
>>>> go directly
>>>> to the slide program chair, the wiki chair, the bulletin editor as
>>>> part of a
>>>> backup.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Terry Aitken" <terry@flowerfantasy.net>
>>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 2:03:06 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
>>>> Eastern
>>>> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Motion for reinstatement of Photo
>>>> Coordinator
>>>>
>>>> Hi All
>>>> I'm a little surprised at the need to "formalize" this situation.
>>>> Right now,
>>>> Rita Gormley is our "go to person".
>>>> Comments? One criterion for someone to go on the "list of
>>>> photographers"
>>>> will be the size of camera they will be using. One option to be
>>>> discussed at
>>>> the fall meeting will be change in size of the bulletin to 8 1/2"
>>>> x 11".
>>>> Coming up with a cover photo that big will require very high
>>>> resolution
>>>> images. Of course, inside images are not as critical. I will try
>>>> to come up
>>>> with a minimum size camera. I will observe that good cameras are
>>>> getting
>>>> better and cheaper as time goes by.
>>>> I try to shoot every flower as if it was going to be the bulletin
>>>> cover.
>>>> There is a flattering angle and a story to tell with every picture.
>>>> We are in the business of selling "IRISES".
>>>> Terry
>>>>
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