Re: [AISdiscuss] Handbook Revision

[Paul W Gossett <pwgossett@juno.com>]

I judge a partially open bloom as an open bloom and deduct points for
form accordingly.

Most of us that have been judging for a number of years probably use the
90 to 100 for a blue, 80 to 90 for a red, etc., every time we judge in
our minds. We have to use our knowledge and experience as a judge, as to
what constitutes a good specimen and what is a bad one and award it the
appropriate ribbon.  You have to take in consideration the quality of the
show and what is being shown and award accordingly.  We ourselves are
being judged not only by the exhibitors and society members but also by
the public.  

I have enjoyed all of the comments that have been made.

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:46:11 EDT MORRISJE1@aol.com writes:
> All,
>  
> Such great wisdom and humor too!  I agree with all that has been  
> said.  The 
> entire Judges' Handbook is a set of "guidelines" so there is  
> nothing wrong 
> with Kitty's suggestion for blue, red and white guidelines.   And 
> judging is 
> always subjective as Judges are expected to "judge".   Otherwise we 
> would just 
> give every entry a blue ribbon and go have a beer.   Great input you 
> all!
>  
> Jean and I have had the good fortune to judge from coast to coast 
> and there  
> is very little difference in the process and that is a good thing.  
> We  also 
> have the great good fortune to have 5 clubs within 35 miles of our 
> house,  all 
> of which have 1 to 4 shows per year each.  So in over 50 shows that 
> we  have 
> judged, we were only needed to point score 4 times, each for either 
> Best of  
> Section or Best of Show.  That tests your skill and that of the rest 
> of the  
> Judging Panel (usually 3 people in a small show but as many as 9 or 
> 12 in a  
> large show).  In the 65 shows (not the same shows, and yes we have 
> been  around a 
> long time) that we have exhibited in I have seen the  judges point 
> score 6 
> times. 
>  
> Jim M.
>
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> In a message dated 10/10/2006 8:44:17 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
> ZEBRAIRIS1@aol.com writes:
> 
> Hear!  Hear!
> 
> Judging is inherently subject, but is hopefully  guided by 
> knowledge, 
> experience, consistency, and not the least,  compassion for the 
> exhibitor.  
> An iris 
> show is a major PR event for  the benefit of local iris growers, the 
> local 
> affiliate and ultimately the  AIS.  This is not a venue for a 
> technical, 
> quantitative analysis, but  rather a qualitative evaluation i.e. 
> Flowers 
> fresh and 
> undamaged? Speciman  upright and well-proportioned? Stalks and 
> foliage 
> heathy? Also, 
> how can my  judging encourage a novice exhibitor to want to become a 
> more 
> successful  exhibitor? AS to how these qualities stratify into blue, 
> red, 
> white or  
> honorable mention awards, first observe the overall quality of all 
> the  
> exhibits and then consider adjusting your statisfication standards  
> accordingly. (A 
> red at one show just might be a blue at another.)   Arrogant, 
> perfectionistic 
> judging (save it for the garden) is likely to  detract from our most 
> visible 
> PR 
> opportunity and harm the local affiliate  so should not be 
> encouraged within 
> our 
> handbook.
> 
> Brad
> How many  aphids can dance on the head of an anther? I
> totally agree with what Terry  and others have written.
> If things are defined too precisely than we are  no
> longer judges but auditors.
> 
> --- Terry Aitken  <terry@flowerfantasy.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hi All
> > I generally  agree with the concept that 90% is Blue;
> > 80% is red and 70% 
> >  is white.
> > The frequent debate that I get into is "How many
> >  points is that APHID 
> > worth???" One Point per aphid? Two? Cheaper by  the
> > herd? Some judges 
> > will refuse to judge the plant!
> >  Unfortunately us humanoids enter the picture with
> > all of our 
> >  inconsistancies. Some judges are just plain
> > viciously tough. Other  
> > judges , like me, are far more forgiving. Maybe that
> > APHID  just flew in 
> > from the plant next door? Maybe a competing
> >  exhibitor put it there?
> > After seeing the Italians vote in Florence  using a
> > point scale(they are 
> > extremely tough) I would NEVER  subscribe to a FIXED
> > NUMBERING SYSTEM. It 
> > just does not  work.
> > Maybe the judges manual could assign a value per
> >  aphid???? Now there is 
> > a debate I want to record!! Ha!
> >  
> > Terry
> > 
> > K. Loberg wrote:
> > 
> > > When I  first took judge's training and then
> > started judging shows over  
> > > 15 years ago, it was confusing to me as to how
> > judges'  decided what 
> > > was worthy of a blue, red, or white ribbon.   I
> > searched the handbook 
> > > and could find nothing that  defined what deserved
> > a blue ribbon.  The 
> > > handbook  has many pages about the scale of points
> > for exhibition 
> > >  judging, but is silent about how many points
> > becomes a blue, red, or  
> > > white ribbon.   I asked many other judges in  my
> > beginning years, and 
> > > finally stopped asking because  no one had an
> > answer.   In reality, 
> > > judging is  a grading system, and so I pretty much
> > try to use a 
> > >  guideline very much like what Betty Coyle
> > mentions, 90%-A=Blue,  
> > > 80%-B=Red, 70%-C=White.
> > >
> > >
> >  >
> > > Roy, I would very much appreciate having this
> >  clarified in the 
> > > Handbook, so that current and future judges  will
> > have a guideline to 
> > > refer to.
> > >
> >  >
> > >
> > > Kitty  Loberg
> 
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