Re: [AISdiscuss] Handbook Revision, Show Sign

[Robt R Pries <rpries@sbcglobal.net>]

Pauls note made me think of several times when
visitors have asked at shows what a blue ribbon means.
They assume it judges the quality of the iris. I
wonder if we might do ourselves a favor by having a
little public sign at each show. It could say Ribbons
are awarded on the quality of the exhibit not the
quality of the cultivar. This might also be a gentle
reminder to some judges.

--- Paul W Gossett <pwgossett@juno.com> wrote:

> I judge a partially open bloom as an open bloom and
> deduct points for
> form accordingly.
> 
> Most of us that have been judging for a number of
> years probably use the
> 90 to 100 for a blue, 80 to 90 for a red, etc.,
> every time we judge in
> our minds. We have to use our knowledge and
> experience as a judge, as to
> what constitutes a good specimen and what is a bad
> one and award it the
> appropriate ribbon.  You have to take in
> consideration the quality of the
> show and what is being shown and award accordingly. 
> We ourselves are
> being judged not only by the exhibitors and society
> members but also by
> the public.  
> 
> I have enjoyed all of the comments that have been
> made.
> 
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:46:11 EDT MORRISJE1@aol.com
> writes:
> > All,
> >  
> > Such great wisdom and humor too!  I agree with all
> that has been  
> > said.  The 
> > entire Judges' Handbook is a set of "guidelines"
> so there is  
> > nothing wrong 
> > with Kitty's suggestion for blue, red and white
> guidelines.   And 
> > judging is 
> > always subjective as Judges are expected to
> "judge".   Otherwise we 
> > would just 
> > give every entry a blue ribbon and go have a beer.
>   Great input you 
> > all!
> >  
> > Jean and I have had the good fortune to judge from
> coast to coast 
> > and there  
> > is very little difference in the process and that
> is a good thing.  
> > We  also 
> > have the great good fortune to have 5 clubs within
> 35 miles of our 
> > house,  all 
> > of which have 1 to 4 shows per year each.  So in
> over 50 shows that 
> > we  have 
> > judged, we were only needed to point score 4
> times, each for either 
> > Best of  
> > Section or Best of Show.  That tests your skill
> and that of the rest 
> > of the  
> > Judging Panel (usually 3 people in a small show
> but as many as 9 or 
> > 12 in a  
> > large show).  In the 65 shows (not the same shows,
> and yes we have 
> > been  around a 
> > long time) that we have exhibited in I have seen
> the  judges point 
> > score 6 
> > times. 
> >  
> > Jim M.
> >
>
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> *****
> > *******
> > In a message dated 10/10/2006 8:44:17 P.M. Central
> Standard Time,  
> > ZEBRAIRIS1@aol.com writes:
> > 
> > Hear!  Hear!
> > 
> > Judging is inherently subject, but is hopefully 
> guided by 
> > knowledge, 
> > experience, consistency, and not the least, 
> compassion for the 
> > exhibitor.  
> > An iris 
> > show is a major PR event for  the benefit of local
> iris growers, the 
> > local 
> > affiliate and ultimately the  AIS.  This is not a
> venue for a 
> > technical, 
> > quantitative analysis, but  rather a qualitative
> evaluation i.e. 
> > Flowers 
> > fresh and 
> > undamaged? Speciman  upright and
> well-proportioned? Stalks and 
> > foliage 
> > heathy? Also, 
> > how can my  judging encourage a novice exhibitor
> to want to become a 
> > more 
> > successful  exhibitor? AS to how these qualities
> stratify into blue, 
> > red, 
> > white or  
> > honorable mention awards, first observe the
> overall quality of all 
> > the  
> > exhibits and then consider adjusting your
> statisfication standards  
> > accordingly. (A 
> > red at one show just might be a blue at another.) 
>  Arrogant, 
> > perfectionistic 
> > judging (save it for the garden) is likely to 
> detract from our most 
> > visible 
> > PR 
> > opportunity and harm the local affiliate  so
> should not be 
> > encouraged within 
> > our 
> > handbook.
> > 
> > Brad
> > How many  aphids can dance on the head of an
> anther? I
> > totally agree with what Terry  and others have
> written.
> > If things are defined too precisely than we are 
> no
> > longer judges but auditors.
> > 
> > --- Terry Aitken  <terry@flowerfantasy.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi All
> > > I generally  agree with the concept that 90% is
> Blue;
> > > 80% is red and 70% 
> > >  is white.
> > > The frequent debate that I get into is "How many
> > >  points is that APHID 
> > > worth???" One Point per aphid? Two? Cheaper by 
> the
> > > herd? Some judges 
> > > will refuse to judge the plant!
> > >  Unfortunately us humanoids enter the picture
> with
> > > all of our 
> > >  inconsistancies. Some judges are just plain
> > > viciously tough. Other  
> > > judges , like me, are far more forgiving. Maybe
> that
> > > APHID  just flew in 
> > > from the plant next door? Maybe a competing
> > >  exhibitor put it there?
> > > After seeing the Italians vote in Florence 
> using a
> > > point scale(they are 
> > > extremely tough) I would NEVER  subscribe to a
> FIXED
> > > NUMBERING SYSTEM. It 
> > > just does not  work.
> > > Maybe the judges manual could assign a value per
> > >  aphid???? Now there is 
> > > a debate I want to record!! Ha!
> > >  
> > > Terry
> > > 
> > > K. Loberg wrote:
> > > 
> > > > When I  first took judge's training and then
> > > started judging shows over  
> > > > 15 years ago, it was confusing to me as to how
> > > judges'  decided what 
> > > > was worthy of a blue, red, or white ribbon.  
> I
> > > searched the handbook 
> > > > and could find nothing that  defined what
> deserved
> > > a blue ribbon.  The 
> > > > handbook  has many pages about the scale of
> points
> > > for exhibition 
> > > >  judging, but is silent about how many points
> > > becomes a blue, red, or  
> > > > white ribbon.   I asked many other judges in 
> my
> > > beginning years, and 
> > > > finally stopped asking because  no one had an
> > > answer.   In reality, 
> > > > judging is  a grading system, and so I pretty
> much
> > > try to use a 
> > > >  guideline very much like what Betty Coyle
> 
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