Re: [AISdiscuss] Handbook Revision

[ZEBRAIRIS1@aol.com]

Hear! Hear!

    Judging is inherently subject, but is hopefully guided by knowledge, 
experience, consistency, and not the least, compassion for the exhibitor.  An iris 
show is a major PR event for the benefit of local iris growers, the local 
affiliate and ultimately the AIS.  This is not a venue for a technical, 
quantitative analysis, but rather a qualitative evaluation i.e. Flowers fresh and 
undamaged? Speciman upright and well-proportioned? Stalks and foliage heathy? Also, 
how can my judging encourage a novice exhibitor to want to become a more 
successful exhibitor? AS to how these qualities stratify into blue, red, white or 
honorable mention awards, first observe the overall quality of all the 
exhibits and then consider adjusting your statisfication standards accordingly. (A 
red at one show just might be a blue at another.)  Arrogant, perfectionistic 
judging (save it for the garden) is likely to detract from our most visible PR 
opportunity and harm the local affiliate so should not be encouraged within our 
handbook.

Brad
How many aphids can dance on the head of an anther? I
totally agree with what Terry and others have written.
If things are defined too precisely than we are no
longer judges but auditors.

--- Terry Aitken <terry@flowerfantasy.net> wrote:

> Hi All
> I generally agree with the concept that 90% is Blue;
> 80% is red and 70% 
> is white.
> The frequent debate that I get into is "How many
> points is that APHID 
> worth???" One Point per aphid? Two? Cheaper by the
> herd? Some judges 
> will refuse to judge the plant!
> Unfortunately us humanoids enter the picture with
> all of our 
> inconsistancies. Some judges are just plain
> viciously tough. Other 
> judges , like me, are far more forgiving. Maybe that
> APHID just flew in 
> from the plant next door? Maybe a competing
> exhibitor put it there?
> After seeing the Italians vote in Florence using a
> point scale(they are 
> extremely tough) I would NEVER subscribe to a FIXED
> NUMBERING SYSTEM. It 
> just does not work.
> Maybe the judges manual could assign a value per
> aphid???? Now there is 
> a debate I want to record!! Ha!
> 
> Terry
> 
> K. Loberg wrote:
> 
> > When I first took judge's training and then
> started judging shows over 
> > 15 years ago, it was confusing to me as to how
> judges' decided what 
> > was worthy of a blue, red, or white ribbon.  I
> searched the handbook 
> > and could find nothing that defined what deserved
> a blue ribbon.  The 
> > handbook has many pages about the scale of points
> for exhibition 
> > judging, but is silent about how many points
> becomes a blue, red, or 
> > white ribbon.   I asked many other judges in my
> beginning years, and 
> > finally stopped asking because no one had an
> answer.   In reality, 
> > judging is a grading system, and so I pretty much
> try to use a 
> > guideline very much like what Betty Coyle
> mentions, 90%-A=Blue, 
> > 80%-B=Red, 70%-C=White.
> >
> >
> >
> > Roy, I would very much appreciate having this
> clarified in the 
> > Handbook, so that current and future judges will
> have a guideline to 
> > refer to.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kitty Loberg

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