Re: [AISdiscuss] Handbook Revision

[gary white <in2iris@yahoo.com>]

Greetings all,

I also generally agree with the 90%/80%/70% idea for
Blue/Red/White ribbons....in theory.  In practice,
though, it is not nearly so easy as that.  I agree
with Terry's assessment.  There are a number of
reasons (weather being chief among them) why I might
give an iris a blue ribbon that would not be in that
90% range as we generally think about blue ribbon
irises (But, it would be close to that range for that
particular show, I suppose).  In effect, I am in favor
of the "grading curve" in some situations.  I think a
prudent judge has to be mindful of various situations
and act accordingly.  If grading or awarding blue
ribbons is too tough, you may risk losing members and
the public at future shows in that area.  On the other
hand, being too lenient can be just as bad.  Both
situations lend themselves to some excellent teaching
opportunities.  And, I have found that if exhibitors
know why their iris only received a red ribbon instead
of a blue, and its done in a friendly manner, with an
educational bent, they understand and accept it.   

And, as others have said, judging a large show takes a
significant amount of time as it is.  I also would not
want to even think about point judging a show. 

Thanks,
Gary White

--- Terry Aitken <terry@flowerfantasy.net> wrote:

> Hi All
> I generally agree with the concept that 90% is Blue;
> 80% is red and 70% 
> is white.
> The frequent debate that I get into is "How many
> points is that APHID 
> worth???" One Point per aphid? Two? Cheaper by the
> herd? Some judges 
> will refuse to judge the plant!
> Unfortunately us humanoids enter the picture with
> all of our 
> inconsistancies. Some judges are just plain
> viciously tough. Other 
> judges , like me, are far more forgiving. Maybe that
> APHID just flew in 
> from the plant next door? Maybe a competing
> exhibitor put it there?
> After seeing the Italians vote in Florence using a
> point scale(they are 
> extremely tough) I would NEVER subscribe to a FIXED
> NUMBERING SYSTEM. It 
> just does not work.
> Maybe the judges manual could assign a value per
> aphid???? Now there is 
> a debate I want to record!! Ha!
> 
> Terry
> 
> K. Loberg wrote:
> 
> > When I first took judge's training and then
> started judging shows over 
> > 15 years ago, it was confusing to me as to how
> judges' decided what 
> > was worthy of a blue, red, or white ribbon.  I
> searched the handbook 
> > and could find nothing that defined what deserved
> a blue ribbon.  The 
> > handbook has many pages about the scale of points
> for exhibition 
> > judging, but is silent about how many points
> becomes a blue, red, or 
> > white ribbon.   I asked many other judges in my
> beginning years, and 
> > finally stopped asking because no one had an
> answer.   In reality, 
> > judging is a grading system, and so I pretty much
> try to use a 
> > guideline very much like what Betty Coyle
> mentions, 90%-A=Blue, 
> > 80%-B=Red, 70%-C=White.
> >
> >
> >
> > Roy, I would very much appreciate having this
> clarified in the 
> > Handbook, so that current and future judges will
> have a guideline to 
> > refer to.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kitty Loberg
> >
> > AIS Master Judge
> >
> > Region14 Past Judges' Training Chair
> >
> > Instructor, Mendocino College
> >
> >
> >
> >> During my tenure with Exhibitions, the 2 most
> often asked questions 
> >> (expressed
> >> concerns) were about the partially open bloom
> requirement and what 
> >> constitutes
> >> a Blue ribbon, etc.?
> >>
> >>
> >> E. Roy Epperson
> >
> >
> >
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