Re: Iris Resources - Digital Programs

["George and Janet Smith" <4f80107e1@rewrite.aisboard.org>]

This subject is now closed and has been taken care of between Jaime and
myself.

Janet Smith


> Janet; I am sorry I misunderstood. I do not see that what you say you are
> asking is a board action. it seems direct communication with the editor is
> all that would be necessary. So hearing that you lost your chance at the
> board meeting for discussion meant to me that you were asking for
> something more and I tried to oblige by making a motion so it would be
> discussed. I do not think the board should micromanage the bulletin. The
> editor needs to have some authority to make decisions. The price of the
> bulletin varies with the number of pages and these need to be in sets of
> four. So the editor has a tough job of adding just one page since it then
> requires another three to be filled with desired material. I am sure there
> are times when something that we would like to include gets left out
> because the cost and value of 4 more pages is not warranted. I apologize
> for misunderstanding.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George and Janet Smith" <4f80107e1@rewrite.aisboard.org>
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:36:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Iris Resources - Digital Programs
>
> Robert Pries, you have once again misunderstood what I said.  This is not
> an insert request, it is a "put on the page of the bulletin like it use to
> be.  Only this time half the page and not a whole one.  Sundance does not
> charge us for more pages is what I understood.  If that is not acceptible,
> I will ask for "ad" space! ! ! !
>
> Janet Smith
>
>
>> My understanding is that it was asked to be an insert. I have no problem
>> with space given to advertising these on one of the pages. But we must
>> realize also that nothing is free. Every page costs us. How we use it
>> should generally be a decision of the editor with advice from the board.
>> But if the editor has an interesting article I would think that should
>> have some priority over much of the boiler plate that is printed season
>> after season. I can remember January issues where only one article made
>> it
>> but there were scores of pages of reports etc. When we stopped doing
>> that
>> is also about the time membership stopped being in free -fall. We must
>> have something appealing to new members as well as old members.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Susan Boyce" <100T@rewrite.aisboard.org>
>> To: "aisdiscuss" <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 6:51:08 PM
>> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Iris Resources - Digital Programs
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>> � �  Bob, this would not be an insert.�  It would be� printed on
>> one of
>> the pages, just like it used to� be.�  The cost to AIS would be
>> zero.
>> Susan Boyce
>> � 
>>
>> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 17:42:29 -0500
>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Iris Resources - Digital Programs
>> From: 101p@rewrite.aisboard.org
>>
>>
>>
>> Since I would like to have a discussion I will make the opposite motion
>> that we do not include the program form in the Bulletin.
>> � 
>> My concern is this. Do we really know what we are doing here. We voted
>> in
>> the last board meeting to include the symposium as an insert. I made
>> that
>> motion and do not regret it.� We have no idea of the present cost of
>> that
>> insert or the insert for programs. Janet has said that instead of
>> bringing
>> in $600+ dollars we could possibly bring in $1000+ dollars. That means
>> if
>> the cost of inserting the programs form were over $400 we would be
>> loosing
>> money on this deal. The question then is this that important to the
>> mission of the society to spend extra money that is in short
>> supply� for a
>> few more� affiliates to use this service. Lets have a discussion of
>> the
>> merits and possibilities and drawbacks. What we did� 6 years� ago
>> should
>> not necessarily be what guides us in our present state. The world and
>> our
>> budget changes too fast for just doing what we did or didn't do.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "Jim Morris" <1005@rewrite.aisboard.org>
>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 4:03:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Iris Resources - Digital Programs
>>
>>
>> All,
>> � 
>> Yes this is true.�  But I would hasten to add that the Exhibition
>> Reports
>> were voted back in after a ground swell of objections to their deletion
>> by
>> our membership.�  Also because of mailing damage to the bulletins and
>> bulletins falling apart we went back to three staples and voted to
>> insert
>> the Bulletin in a plastic sleeve or envelope.�  As a result all
>> complaints
>> immediately stopped.
>> � 
>> Jim Morris
>> Immediate Past President
>> American Iris Society
>> � 
>>
>> In a message dated 11/12/2015 11:50:20 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>> 4f80107e1@rewrite.aisboard.org writes:
>>
>> Susan, here is what I recall and it is from the 2010 Fall BOD meeting
>> and
>> where this all occurred.�  You are correct it was not voted on but
>> done.
>>
>> Editor - Kelly Norris presented price comparisons regarding the printing
>> of the AIS
>> bulletin. After a long discussion it was decided to change printers.
>> *Ludi moved and Gormley seconded:
>> **That we switch from Bridgetown to Sundance for the printing of our
>> bulletin
>> effective with the January 2011 edition. Motion carried.
>> Norris also presented a list of several items that are regularly
>> published
>> in the bulletin
>> and questioned whether if these specific reoccuring topics in the
>> bulletin
>> are necessary
>> for publication. After much discussion each of the items on his list
>> were
>> voted on, one
>> by one. The board voted on the following:
>> *Williams moved and Gormley second:
>> **That we discontinue the black and white wrapper for the bulletin.
>> Motion
>> carried.
>> *Jones moved and Deaton seconded:
>> **That we discontinue printing the Advertising Rate Card (direct to
>> website) in
>> the bulletin. Motion carried by a vote of 13-1.
>> *Jones moved and Nolin seconded:
>> **That we discontinue printing the Insurance notice in the bulletin.
>> Motion failed
>> by a vote of 8-6.
>> *Jones moved and Snyder seconded:
>> **That we discontinue printing the AIS Show Reports in the bulletin.
>> Motion
>> carried by a vote of 13-1.
>> *Jones moved and White seconded:
>> **That we discontinue printing the Approved Judges in the bulletin.
>> Motion
>> carried by a vote of 13-1.
>> *Jones moved and Plank seconded:
>> **That we discontinue printing the TB Symposium results in the bulletin.
>> Motion
>> failed by a vote of 13-1.
>> *Jones moved and Deaton seconded:
>> **That we discontinue printing the Treasurer's Report in the bulletin.
>> Motion
>> carried by a vote of 8-6.
>> *Jones moved and Snyder seconded:
>> **That we discontinue printing the Board of Directors Minutes Digest in
>> the
>> bulletin. Motion carried.
>> *Jones moved and Snyder seconded:
>> **That we discontinue printing the Donations to AIS in the bulletin.
>> Motion
>> failed.
>> *Jones moved and Deaton seconded:
>> **That we discontinue printing the Donations to AIS Foundation in the
>> bulletin.
>> Motion failed.
>> *Williams moved and Snyder seconded:
>> **That we revoke the Nov 2009 Board motion that we produce an annual
>> plain
>> paper business edition (Motion #9, Fall 2009 Board Meeting). Motion
>> carried by a
>> vote of 13-1.
>> Norris also stated a desire for addition color signature pages for the
>> bulletin.
>> *Jones moved and Brown seconded:
>> **That we authorize an additional color signature for the Bulletin to
>> enable
>> additional advertising or pictorial emphasis at editor's discretion.
>> Motion carried
>>
>> Janet Smith
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,� �  As the policy chair, I just did a check on the board
>>> meeting
>>> minutes.�  Actually, we did not vote to remove this part of the
>>> bulletin. I
>>> also did a quick look at the bulletins and it just disappeared and was
>>> never put back. I guess that Kelly just took it upon himself to remove
>>> the
>>> ad for the advertising of the digital/slides program.�  Since there
>>> was
>>> no
>>> official motion to take it out, I see no reason that we need to have a
>>> motion to put this back in.�  In my opinion it should just be put
>>> back
>>> in.Susan Boyce > Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 08:18:04 -0500> To:
>>> aisdiscuss@aisboard.org> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Iris Resources -
>>> Digital Programs> From: 101p@rewrite.aisboard.org> > I will make a
>>> motion
>>> that a form be inserted in the Winter issue of the AIS Bulletin for
>>> ordering programs. I believe this is worth discussing and the motion
>>> allows for that discussion. >�  > ----- Original Message -----> From:
>>> "George and Janet Smith" <4f80107e1@rewrite.aisboard.org>> To:
>>> aisdiscuss@aisboard.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 3:08:37 PM>
>>> Subject: [AISdiscuss] Iris Resources - Digital Programs> > Greetings, I
>>> just found out that Judy Keisling fell and was not able to> attend the
>>> Fall Board Meeting.�  She was going to discuss (she is on my>
>>> committee)
>>> the decrease of revenue for Digital Programs.> > Since my term as chair
>>> I
>>> have been consistent of at least $1,000 income a> year 2008 to 2014).
>>> This year $641.00 total income.�  We went from 148> orders in 2014;
>>> 2015
>>> only 74 order and that stopped in July.> > Order form use to be placed
>>> in
>>> the bulletin (October I believe.�  I can't> recall when but the
>>> editor
>>> (presume Kelly) asked to eliminate several> pages that they felt could
>>> be
>>> placed on the website and thus make room for> more articles which
>>> included
>>> the order form.�  At the time there was> concern on my part of lost
>>> sales
>>> as not everyone has a computer.�  The BOD> agreed and removed the
>>> order
>>> form along with the other pages.> > Well here we are today, and as
>>> predicted, sales have dropped. I would like> to see the order form
>>> placed
>>> in the Winter issue of this year's bulletin> and ask how this could be
>>> accomplished since I am not on the board.> > If we don't get an
>>> increase
>>> of orders for this fiscal year we can remove> it from the next winter's
>>> issue.> > You can refer to my reports in archives or ask me any
>>> questions
>>> you wish.> > Janet Smith> Coordinator> > P.S.�  In talking with Judy
>>> Keisling we thought removing the DVD section> and notating if
>>> interested
>>> ask would cut the form in half which would make> it better for the
>>> bulletin.> Digital Programs> >
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