Re: Where Should We Be Discussing Topics LikeCAPS?

[Wayne Messer <6d200f2f1@rewrite.aisboard.org>]

That would be great John.  The next News & Notes should be in the next
couple of days.  I can combine the AISDiscuss item with noting that the
draft of the Spring Minutes are available.

Regards,

Wayne Messer



On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 6:56 PM, John Jones <100h@rewrite.aisboard.org>
wrote:

> Wayne,
>
> Certainly list the link in news and notes. But note that no one can post
> to the archives. Only messages that are sent to AISDiscuss by those
> authorized to be on the list go onto the list.
>
> I think you misunderstood when I said : "I think we SHOULD allow anyone
> subscribe to AISDiscuss that wants to."
> Current AIS policy does not allow that. (it used to allow anyone to post,
> but the board decided to change to the current policy)
>
> I don't know when the next News and notes is going out but I could write
> up a little blurb about the archives
>
>
> John
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> On Jul 31, 2014, at 3:58 PM, Wayne Messer <6d200f2f1@rewrite.aisboard.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you John,
> >
> > I was aware that AISDiscuss has archives and checked them to see what
> type
> > of topics we had considered in the last year.  Do we publicize the
> > archives?  I don't remember how I found out about them; I suspect it came
> > up in some search I was doing.
> >
> > If we do not publicize the archives and that anyone can post to it, would
> > you like us to?  We can certainly put a link to it in News & Notes
> > readily.  And the Irises Bulletin could have an article and maybe some of
> > the topics.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Wayne Messer
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:17 AM, John Jones <100h@rewrite.aisboard.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Just some clarification:
> >>
> >> AISDiscuss goes to Board members, committee chairs AND
> >> RVPs, Section and Cooperating Societies.
> >>
> >> I should also say that it is up to individuals and societies to let the
> >> AIS Secretary know when personnel or contact information changes so we
> can
> >> have a list with up-to-date contact information.
> >>
> >> We also have an RVP list and and Affiliates list that can be used to
> send
> >> out mesages. But again they are only as good as the contact information
> for
> >> them.
> >>
> >> Additionally the archives of AISDiscuss, located at aisboard.org, are
> >> open to anyone who cares to go there, no password or ID required. I
> know of
> >> several people that routinely review the messages there.
> >>
> >> However Janet is certainly correct that it is up to the individual to
> pass
> >> information along to anyone who they think might be interested, although
> >> that happens with varying degrees of enthusiasm.
> >>
> >> There are also other email lists: iris@hort.net, iris-photos, sibrob,
> >> spaceagerobin, iris-species, and others that could be used to solicit
> ideas
> >> from. (Yea I know, dangling preposition - LOL)
> >>
> >> I think we should allow anyone subscribe to AISDiscuss that wants to. We
> >> should welcome comments from any source. We may not agree with or use
> all
> >> of the ideas, but you never know where the new idea will come from. I
> know
> >> occasionally we have an inappropriate post or someone thinks they can
> >> really send an anonymous text message, but you just dismiss that sort of
> >> thing considering the source.
> >>
> >> If posting relevant parts of the CAPS reports on the AIS blog would
> >> solicit some comments, I think it would be worth it.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 31, 2014, at 8:04 AM, "Janet Smith" <
> 4f80107e1@rewrite.aisboard.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> 1. Not everyone can afford to got to conventions or fall board
> >>> meetings.
> >>> 2. AISDiscuss only goes to Board members and committee chairs, so
> >>> your audience is limited.
> >>> 3. Many RVP's are silent to their affiliates, so the word does not
> >>> get out to them.
> >>> 4. The Directors in the Regions are even more silent to the
> >>> affiliates they oversee, so the word does not get out.
> >>> 5. It is not in the IRISES Bulletin, so...
> >>> 6. Not in your Newsletter.....  But that is only if they have a
> >>> computer.  For those members who do not have a computer they are left
> >>> out.
> >>> 7. Facebook and Blog are not the place for this.
> >>>
> >>> I keep hearing we should-----when am I going to hear ---- its done!
> >>>
> >>> Janet Smith
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---- Original Message ----
> >>> From: 101p@rewrite.aisboard.org
> >>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Where Should We Be Discussing Topics
> >>> LikeCAPS?
> >>> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:30:52 -0400 (EDT)
> >>>
> >>>> Wayne you are correct in that AIS Discuss is not exactly the venue of
> >>>> choice for continued discussion. Since I was commissioned by the
> >>>> board to attend and report I wanted to give an overview to the
> >>>> society. Further discussion of for example of the copyright issue
> >>>> will occur in the intellectual property committee. Continued
> >>>> discussion of what we can do for the future to improve the society
> >>>> will occur in the strategic planning committee.
> >>>>
> >>>> I decided it was important for everyone to know of our being a part
> >>>> of CAPS for several reasons. Much of what the board does is not known
> >>>> throughout the organization. This is not because it is in closed
> >>>> board meetings but because few other than board members attend board
> >>>> meetings. Secondly I wanted to get some information out so that board
> >>>> members and other parties could do their homework. If one has a
> >>>> chance to contemplate these issues before the fall meeting the
> >>>> discussion can be much more productive. And third I know there are
> >>>> very creative members who are not on the board that may be able to
> >>>> offer totally new perspectives on these problems.
> >>>>
> >>>> The issues involved in whether we succeed in making it to our hundred
> >>>> birthday in 6 years as a robust AIS are issues that should be thought
> >>>> about at all levels, from affiliates to regions to national and to
> >>>> each section. Despite the fact that each of these units functions
> >>>> quite independently we are also quite dependent on them all working
> >>>> together. While the wiki by definition is a collaboration platform
> >>>> perhaps half of the officers of all of these groups are even
> >>>> registered as wiki users so that they could post.
> >>>> Bob
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Wayne Messer" <6d200f2f1@rewrite.aisboard.org>
> >>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:53:10 PM
> >>>> Subject: [AISdiscuss] Where Should We Be Discussing Topics Like CAPS?
> >>>>
> >>>> Bob's ongoing reports on CAPS and initial concerns about limited
> >>>> response
> >>>> make me wonder:  Is AISDiscuss the best place to have some of these
> >>>> discussions?  I've only been on AISDiscuss for a year; so I'm not
> >>>> aware of
> >>>> how and where some of the discussions take place.  It seems to be a
> >>>> good
> >>>> place for AIS business and notices; however, dealing with issues such
> >>>> as
> >>>> what can we learn from CAPS and what should we do are more
> >>>> problematic.
> >>>> Maybe these different types of topics would benefit from a different
> >>>> approach.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bob posting the CAPS reports to this group is useful for at least two
> >>>> reasons. First, it makes us aware of what is happening in these
> >>>> meetings
> >>>> and what topics other groups consider important.  Second, it plants
> >>>> the
> >>>> seeds for further discussions and eventually action.  The latter I
> >>>> would
> >>>> expect to have a longer time frame and maybe require a different
> >>>> group.
> >>>>
> >>>> I suspect the reports could benefit both from a smaller and from a
> >>>> larger
> >>>> group being involved with them.  A smaller group might be better for
> >>>> brainstorming how to apply some of the lessons learned from CAPS.
> >>>> And a
> >>>> larger group, maybe all our membership, should be aware of the topics
> >>>> and
> >>>> our interest.  I think it's great that Sue Barnes has shared them
> >>>> with the
> >>>> Region's Club presidents and Ron Killingsworth has been sharing with
> >>>> the
> >>>> SLI president.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do we have other venues that we should use or consider for this?
> >>>>
> >>>> As an aid to our discussion and a possible venue, I've created a
> >>>> (Sandbox)
> >>>> CAPS Resource page in the Iris Wiki.  It has some links to books and
> >>>> authors Bob has mentioned as well as other info.  The only topic I
> >>>> have
> >>>> steered away from, because of Bob's comments in his discussion, is
> >>>> copyright.  It I believe is better handled in AISDiscuss or some
> >>>> other
> >>>> limited venue because of the legal implications.  You are encouraged
> >>>> to
> >>>> check the page out and edit it - it is on a wiki.  You can see the
> >>>> page at:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view/Sandbox/CAPSResources
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Wayne Messer
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Bob Pries
> >>>> Zone 7a
> >>>> Roxboro, NC
> >>>> (336)597-8805
> >>>>
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