Re: 2014 AIS Convention

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Subject: Re: 2014 AIS Convention
From: don.rude@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:33:53 +0000 (UTC)
i'M STILL WAITING, 

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From: "cheryl deaton" <region15kids@hotmail.com> 
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org 
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 10:58:16 AM 
Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention 

HEY EVERYONE! GOT MY PRINTED COPY OF THE BULLETIN SATURDAY! NICE TO BE ABLE 
TO LOOK THROUGH THE PAGES AT ALL THE BEAUTIFUL PICTURES. NICE JOB KELLY! 
Cheryl 


> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:00:50 +0000 
> From: don.rude@comcast.net 
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org 
> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention 
> 
> I agree with you. Hard copy is always deserirable. 
> Don 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janet Smith" <ypauls@sti.net> 
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 7:07:15 PM 
> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention 
> 
> Post office lack of care, volunteers who have a life and do their 
> best to get the article in on time but fail, trying to find 
> volunteers who will do an article, trying to find that needed photo = 
> a late bulletin. 
> 
> I am old school and want the hard copy in my hand, thumbing through 
> the pages. So it is slightly late, it does arrive. Take another look 
> at what changes there have been to the bulletin, more articles, 
> photos, conversations than we have had in a long time. 
> 
> You can't slap the editor for the mailing company -- the post office 
> and volunteers not doing getting in on time. 
> 
> Far as I am concerned, anyone out there who thinks they can do 
> better---November 2014 turn in your Resume now! 
> 
> My point of view having been there done that- 
> 
> Janet Smith 
> 
> ---- Original Message ---- 
> From: robertpries@embarqmail.com 
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org 
> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention 
> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:34:11 -0500 (EST) 
> 
> >I prefer print to computer screen but sadly times are changing and 
> >the post office seems to be declining. And yes the printer sorts by 
> >postal codes and does all the right things, but you can figure a good 
> >month of wait for bulk rate stuff. Sometimes one gets lucky and other 
> >times it takes forever. My local post Office shuts down between 
> >11:00am to 1:00pm for lunch. Everyone complains, the mayor, the 
> >buisinesses, everyone. How can people go to the post office on their 
> >Lunch break. They can not, but the Post Office does not care. 
> > 
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "don rude" <don.rude@comcast.net> 
> >To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org 
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:23:31 PM 
> >Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention 
> > 
> >Problems with the mail almost always begin with the mailers. Are 
> >mailings sorted by zip codes? 
> >As a retired person I relish the arrival of paper copies of journals 
> >and magazines and resent having e-mail replace so many forms of human 
> >contact, even as it enriches life in some ways--such as these 
> >mailings. 
> >Don 
> > 
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Robert Pries" <robertpries@embarqmail.com> 
> >To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org 
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:40:00 AM 
> >Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention 
> > 
> >One point: The AIS Bulletin is not late; It is already out and if one 
> >has e-membership you can view it online right now. How soon it gets 
> >through the postal service to print subscribers like myself is 
> >anybody's guess. I have been troubled for sometime about the 
> >communication system within AIS. E-mails and E-memberships offer some 
> >solutions. But too many of our member still are at the mercy of the 
> >mails. 
> > 
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "John W. Baker" <johnwbaker1@frontier.com> 
> >To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org 
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:24:13 AM 
> >Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention 
> > 
> >Goof morning, Terry: 
> >Thank you for your words of wisdom regarding conventions. 
> >As a past president of our local club for a number of years, and 
> >chairman of 
> >the 2010 AIS Convention in Madison, I agree with what you say. 
> >We were happy to receive a large check from the Kansan City 
> >Convention 
> >committee prior to our convention, and we sent one in return to 
> >Canada for 
> >their convention. However, if every club that can afford it would 
> >make a 
> >contribution to the AIS for an insurance to cover the hotel (OUR 
> >BIGGEST 
> >DOWNFALL) it would help everyone hosting a convention. We all know in 
> > 
> >advance what the buses, food, convention bags and give-aways are 
> >going to 
> >cost, but the hotel always has to be the big question mark for any 
> >convention, due to the unknow attendance. We were absolutely sure 
> >that we 
> >were going to hit 500, but planned for only 300-400 which seemed 
> >positive. 
> >As for the iris sale, it was a salvation to uur club. We had several 
> >very 
> >large orders from around the country which amounted to a few thousand 
> > 
> >dollars, and made $14,000 on our three-day iris sale at Olbrich 
> >Botanical 
> >Gardens in Madison. This was our salvation, truly! 
> >I understand that the AIS Bulletin is going to be late again, forcing 
> >the 
> >California people to push the 
> >higher registration fees from March to April. This is a loss of money 
> >to 
> >those people. I have already gotten myself into trouble with Kelly 
> >Norris 
> >regarding my outspoken views on his job as editor, but I feel that 
> >the 
> >printing deadline is something that should never be overlooked. How 
> >would 
> >he like to receive his daily paper a couple weeks (or even a month) 
> >late? 
> >Enough said on that subject! 
> >Thanks for your words of wisdom, and for your many years of service 
> >to the 
> >AIS. 
> >John Baker 
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Terry Aitken" <terry@flowerfantasy.net> 
> >To: <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org> 
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 6:29 PM 
> >Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention 
> > 
> > 
> >> Hi "All" 
> >> The local committee does all of the negotiating with contractors, 
> >be they 
> >> hotels, buses, meals, whatever. 
> >> When all of that is added up, they should allow about a 10% 
> >contingency. 
> >> The local committee then sets the registration fee. 
> >> So far, so good. AIS advises but is not responsible. Thank you, 
> >Paul 
> >> Gossett! 
> >> The big unknown is ATTENDANCE ?!?!? and nobody can predict that if 
> >there 
> >> is 
> >> no history of iris conventions at a specific location. 
> >> On any committee, there will blatant optimists and blatant 
> >pessimists. 
> >> Being 
> >> "REALISTIC" is a crapshoot at any time and many circumstances are 
> >beyond 
> >> the 
> >> control of the local people. I hear that there is insurance against 
> >a 
> >> financial disaster but it is very expensive. It covers the hotel 
> >fees for 
> >> "under" attendance. It would be nice if the successful conventions 
> >could 
> >> donate some money to AIS as a backup fund so that AIS and the local 
> > 
> >> committee could be "self insured". (No idea where that money is 
> >going to 
> >> come from!) 
> >> Another big unknown is the distribution or sale of plants after the 
> > 
> >> conventions. Sometimes they can bail out a convention that is in a 
> >> precarious financial position. 
> >> Terry Aitken 
> >> Planning for the 2015 convention. 
> >> Conventions are for the dissemination of information and nobody 
> >owns that. 
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message----- 
> >> From: owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org 
> >[mailto:owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org] 
> >> On Behalf Of R. Dennis Hager 
> >> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:53 AM 
> >> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org 
> >> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention 
> >> 
> >> There are underlying questions that need to be considered as a part 
> >of 
> >> this 
> >> question. 
> >> 
> >> Who OWNS the Convention? 
> >> How should the Convention be promoted? 
> >> Who owns the intellectual data that is generated at each 
> >convention? 
> >> Is that data used to promote and improve subsequent conventions? 
> >> What functions of the convention should be administered by the 
> >Host? 
> >> What functions of the convention should be administered by AIS? 
> >> 
> >> These questions are NOT about how things ARE done, but how they 
> >SHOULD be 
> >> done. 
> >> 
> >> Dennis Hager 
> >> Irisarian, Pharmacist, Restaurateur, Councilman, Former Mayor and 
> >General 
> >> Pain in the A.... 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message----- 
> >> From: Maureen 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:40 AM 
> >> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org 
> >> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention 
> >> 
> >> Hi Paul, 
> >> 
> >> I think we all suspected that a discussion on AIS policy on 
> >conventions 
> >> was 
> >> going to happen sooner rather than later. 
> >> 
> >> I expect that the current ad hoc help at the back end should a club 
> >suffer 
> >> catastrophic losses from a convention is not going to be sufficient 
> >going 
> >> forward. 
> >> 
> >> I would suggest that board discussion consider the following. 
> >> 
> >> If AIS takes on the riskiest and costliest expense of the 
> >convention, 
> >> should 
> >> 
> >> AIS then also receive some part of the revenues generated by the 
> >> convention? 
> >> 
> >> (for example, collect a fixed portion of registration fees and 
> >receive all 
> >> revenues from silent auction) 
> >> 
> >> Should AIS get involved in fund raising for conventions? 
> >> 
> >> What is the impact on the long term financial health of AIS? While 
> >AIS 
> >> manages its finances fairly well by managing its expenses with 
> >variable 
> >> revenues. How will AIS manage with a significant variable expense? 
> >> 
> >> The last question is probably the most important. 
> >> 
> >> Unfortunately, I won't be at the national convention this year. I 
> >will see 
> >> some of you at the Siberian convention. 
> >> 
> >> Maureen Mark 
> >> Ottawa, Ontario 
> >> (Not a current board director) 
> >> 
> >> On 2012-01-11, at 3:00 AM, "pwgossett@juno.com" 
> ><pwgossett@juno.com> 
> >> wrote: 
> >> 
> >>> Good Evening Folks, 
> >>> 
> >>> The weekend of December 3 & 4, 2011, I had the pleasure of meeting 
> >with 
> >>> the Delaware Valley Iris Society at their winter board meeting in 
> >>> Pennsylvania. After they concluded their board meeting they 
> >allowed me 
> >>> to 
> >> 
> >>> tell them my thoughts about them hosting an AIS Convention in 
> >their area 
> >>> and what AIS can do to assist them. We discussed all aspects of 
> >hosting 
> >>> a 
> >> 
> >>> convention and had volunteers to be the Chairperson, Guest Iris 
> >Chair, 
> >>> Transportation Chair, and Treasurer all from the area. We also 
> >discussed 
> >>> 4 or 5 gardens that might be on tour along with local non iris 
> >gardens 
> >>> and 
> >> 
> >>> historical attractions that could be used as an optional tour. 
> >They 
> >>> would 
> >> 
> >>> like to receive guest plants but, will have to have a limitation 
> >on the 
> >>> number and also 2014 would be too soon for them if they would be 
> >>> receiving 
> >> 
> >>> guest plants. 
> >>> 
> >>> We also discussed financial concerns and obligations. I believe 
> >their 
> >>> greatest concern is how much of a role would AIS be willing to 
> >take in 
> >>> both manpower and financial. On the financial side the hotel is 
> >the 
> >>> biggest expense of a convention. I believe if AIS would be willing 
> >to 
> >>> sign the hotel contract and take on the financial responsibility 
> >of the 
> >>> hotel we might have a convention site on the east coast probably 
> >not in 
> >>> 2014 but, maybe 2016 or 2017. They are thinking about it now and 
> >will 
> >>> make a decision by the end of January. I am hoping for a positive 
> >>> response from them on hosting an AIS Convention. 
> >>> 
> >>> My question to the AIS Board is.... Would AIS be willing to sign 
> >the 
> >>> hotel contract and take on the financial responsibility of the 
> >hotel? I 
> >>> would estimate the cost of the hotel expenses would be about 
> >$25,000. 
> >>> 
> >>> I would like to have your suggestions as to what I need to do and 
> >what 
> >>> role will AIS have in this convention and also future conventions. 
> > 
> >>> 
> >>> Thank you, 
> >>> 
> >>> Paul 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
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