RE: 2014 AIS Convention

[cheryl deaton <region15kids@hotmail.com>]

HEY EVERYONE!  GOT MY PRINTED COPY OF THE BULLETIN SATURDAY!  NICE TO BE ABLE
TO LOOK THROUGH THE PAGES AT ALL THE BEAUTIFUL PICTURES.  NICE JOB KELLY!
Cheryl


> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:00:50 +0000
> From: don.rude@comcast.net
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention
>
> I agree with you. Hard copy is always deserirable.
> Don
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janet Smith" <ypauls@sti.net>
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 7:07:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention
>
> Post office lack of care, volunteers who have a life and do their
> best to get the article in on time but fail, trying to find
> volunteers who will do an article, trying to find that needed photo =
> a late bulletin.
>
> I am old school and want the hard copy in my hand, thumbing through
> the pages. So it is slightly late, it does arrive. Take another look
> at what changes there have been to the bulletin, more articles,
> photos, conversations than we have had in a long time.
>
> You can't slap the editor for the mailing company -- the post office
> and volunteers not doing getting in on time.
>
> Far as I am concerned, anyone out there who thinks they can do
> better---November 2014 turn in your Resume now!
>
> My point of view having been there done that-
>
> Janet Smith
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: robertpries@embarqmail.com
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention
> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:34:11 -0500 (EST)
>
> >I prefer print to computer screen but sadly times are changing and
> >the post office seems to be declining. And yes the printer sorts by
> >postal codes and does all the right things, but you can figure a good
> >month of wait for bulk rate stuff. Sometimes one gets lucky and other
> >times it takes forever. My local post Office shuts down between
> >11:00am to 1:00pm for lunch. Everyone complains, the mayor, the
> >buisinesses, everyone. How can people go to the post office on their
> >Lunch break. They can not, but the Post Office does not care.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "don rude" <don.rude@comcast.net>
> >To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:23:31 PM
> >Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention
> >
> >Problems with the mail almost always begin with the mailers. Are
> >mailings sorted by zip codes?
> >As a retired person I relish the arrival of paper copies of journals
> >and magazines and resent having e-mail replace so many forms of human
> >contact, even as it enriches life in some ways--such as these
> >mailings.
> >Don
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Robert Pries" <robertpries@embarqmail.com>
> >To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:40:00 AM
> >Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention
> >
> >One point: The AIS Bulletin is not late; It is already out and if one
> >has e-membership you can view it online right now. How soon it gets
> >through the postal service to print subscribers like myself is
> >anybody's guess. I have been troubled for sometime about the
> >communication system within AIS. E-mails and E-memberships offer some
> >solutions. But too many of our member still are at the mercy of the
> >mails.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "John W. Baker" <johnwbaker1@frontier.com>
> >To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:24:13 AM
> >Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention
> >
> >Goof morning, Terry:
> >Thank you for your words of wisdom regarding conventions.
> >As a past president of our local club for a number of years, and
> >chairman of
> >the 2010 AIS Convention in Madison, I agree with what you say.
> >We were happy to receive a large check from the Kansan City
> >Convention
> >committee prior to our convention, and we sent one in return to
> >Canada for
> >their convention. However, if every club that can afford it would
> >make a
> >contribution to the AIS for an insurance to cover the hotel (OUR
> >BIGGEST
> >DOWNFALL) it would help everyone hosting a convention. We all know in
> >
> >advance what the buses, food, convention bags and give-aways are
> >going to
> >cost, but the hotel always has to be the big question mark for any
> >convention, due to the unknow attendance. We were absolutely sure
> >that we
> >were going to hit 500, but planned for only 300-400 which seemed
> >positive.
> >As for the iris sale, it was a salvation to uur club. We had several
> >very
> >large orders from around the country which amounted to a few thousand
> >
> >dollars, and made $14,000 on our three-day iris sale at Olbrich
> >Botanical
> >Gardens in Madison. This was our salvation, truly!
> >I understand that the AIS Bulletin is going to be late again, forcing
> >the
> >California people to push the
> >higher registration fees from March to April. This is a loss of money
> >to
> >those people. I have already gotten myself into trouble with Kelly
> >Norris
> >regarding my outspoken views on his job as editor, but I feel that
> >the
> >printing deadline is something that should never be overlooked. How
> >would
> >he like to receive his daily paper a couple weeks (or even a month)
> >late?
> >Enough said on that subject!
> >Thanks for your words of wisdom, and for your many years of service
> >to the
> >AIS.
> >John Baker
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Terry Aitken" <terry@flowerfantasy.net>
> >To: <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 6:29 PM
> >Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention
> >
> >
> >> Hi "All"
> >> The local committee does all of the negotiating with contractors,
> >be they
> >> hotels, buses, meals, whatever.
> >> When all of that is added up, they should allow about a 10%
> >contingency.
> >> The local committee then sets the registration fee.
> >> So far, so good. AIS advises but is not responsible. Thank you,
> >Paul
> >> Gossett!
> >> The big unknown is ATTENDANCE ?!?!? and nobody can predict that if
> >there
> >> is
> >> no history of iris conventions at a specific location.
> >> On any committee, there will blatant optimists and blatant
> >pessimists.
> >> Being
> >> "REALISTIC" is a crapshoot at any time and many circumstances are
> >beyond
> >> the
> >> control of the local people. I hear that there is insurance against
> >a
> >> financial disaster but it is very expensive. It covers the hotel
> >fees for
> >> "under" attendance. It would be nice if the successful conventions
> >could
> >> donate some money to AIS as a backup fund so that AIS and the local
> >
> >> committee could be "self insured". (No idea where that money is
> >going to
> >> come from!)
> >> Another big unknown is the distribution or sale of plants after the
> >
> >> conventions. Sometimes they can bail out a convention that is in a
> >> precarious financial position.
> >> Terry Aitken
> >> Planning for the 2015 convention.
> >> Conventions are for the dissemination of information and nobody
> >owns that.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> >[mailto:owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org]
> >> On Behalf Of R. Dennis Hager
> >> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:53 AM
> >> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> >> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention
> >>
> >> There are underlying questions that need to be considered as a part
> >of
> >> this
> >> question.
> >>
> >> Who OWNS the Convention?
> >> How should the Convention be promoted?
> >> Who owns the intellectual data that is generated at each
> >convention?
> >> Is that data used to promote and improve subsequent conventions?
> >> What functions of the convention should be administered by the
> >Host?
> >> What functions of the convention should be administered by AIS?
> >>
> >> These questions are NOT about how things ARE done, but how they
> >SHOULD be
> >> done.
> >>
> >> Dennis Hager
> >> Irisarian, Pharmacist, Restaurateur, Councilman, Former Mayor and
> >General
> >> Pain in the A....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Maureen
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:40 AM
> >> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> >> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention
> >>
> >> Hi Paul,
> >>
> >> I think we all suspected that a discussion on AIS policy on
> >conventions
> >> was
> >> going to happen sooner rather than later.
> >>
> >> I expect that the current ad hoc help at the back end should a club
> >suffer
> >> catastrophic losses from a convention is not going to be sufficient
> >going
> >> forward.
> >>
> >> I would suggest that board discussion consider the following.
> >>
> >> If AIS takes on the riskiest and costliest expense of the
> >convention,
> >> should
> >>
> >> AIS then also receive some part of the revenues generated by the
> >> convention?
> >>
> >> (for example, collect a fixed portion of registration fees and
> >receive all
> >> revenues from silent auction)
> >>
> >> Should AIS get involved in fund raising for conventions?
> >>
> >> What is the impact on the long term financial health of AIS? While
> >AIS
> >> manages its finances fairly well by managing its expenses with
> >variable
> >> revenues. How will AIS manage with a significant variable expense?
> >>
> >> The last question is probably the most important.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, I won't be at the national convention this year. I
> >will see
> >> some of you at the Siberian convention.
> >>
> >> Maureen Mark
> >> Ottawa, Ontario
> >> (Not a current board director)
> >>
> >> On 2012-01-11, at 3:00 AM, "pwgossett@juno.com"
> ><pwgossett@juno.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Good Evening Folks,
> >>>
> >>> The weekend of December 3 & 4, 2011, I had the pleasure of meeting
> >with
> >>> the Delaware Valley Iris Society at their winter board meeting in
> >>> Pennsylvania. After they concluded their board meeting they
> >allowed me
> >>> to
> >>
> >>> tell them my thoughts about them hosting an AIS Convention in
> >their area
> >>> and what AIS can do to assist them. We discussed all aspects of
> >hosting
> >>> a
> >>
> >>> convention and had volunteers to be the Chairperson, Guest Iris
> >Chair,
> >>> Transportation Chair, and Treasurer all from the area. We also
> >discussed
> >>> 4 or 5 gardens that might be on tour along with local non iris
> >gardens
> >>> and
> >>
> >>> historical attractions that could be used as an optional tour.
> >They
> >>> would
> >>
> >>> like to receive guest plants but, will have to have a limitation
> >on the
> >>> number and also 2014 would be too soon for them if they would be
> >>> receiving
> >>
> >>> guest plants.
> >>>
> >>> We also discussed financial concerns and obligations. I believe
> >their
> >>> greatest concern is how much of a role would AIS be willing to
> >take in
> >>> both manpower and financial. On the financial side the hotel is
> >the
> >>> biggest expense of a convention. I believe if AIS would be willing
> >to
> >>> sign the hotel contract and take on the financial responsibility
> >of the
> >>> hotel we might have a convention site on the east coast probably
> >not in
> >>> 2014 but, maybe 2016 or 2017. They are thinking about it now and
> >will
> >>> make a decision by the end of January. I am hoping for a positive
> >>> response from them on hosting an AIS Convention.
> >>>
> >>> My question to the AIS Board is.... Would AIS be willing to sign
> >the
> >>> hotel contract and take on the financial responsibility of the
> >hotel? I
> >>> would estimate the cost of the hotel expenses would be about
> >$25,000.
> >>>
> >>> I would like to have your suggestions as to what I need to do and
> >what
> >>> role will AIS have in this convention and also future conventions.
> >
> >>>
> >>> Thank you,
> >>>
> >>> Paul
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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