Re: Online Membership


On Jan 19, 2007, at 10:45 AM, Jill Bonino wrote:

If this makes it easier for affiliate Presidents and RVPs to do their jobs, and it doesn't add any burden to the AIS budget or burden to present AIS volunteers to keep it up, I agree with John Jones proposal.

Nagging questions....Would LIFE members be listed with an expiration date of NONE or LIFE (couldn't be a date that would fit into a date field on the database)? I think we would need to have the Life members on the list too. Also, how often would the list be updated...monthly?...quarterly? and who would do this?

The list would be updated monthly. AISMemSec (Tom Gormley) would generate a list from the AIS database (a simple process requiring a one-time setup - he and I have talked briefly about this) and email it to me. I would upload it to the website and change the "last updated" date.

Yes we would put "Life" (or some other suitable description) in the expiration field for life members (dates would actually be a text field)

As to costs, I am likely to put the list on an different ISP from the AIS website so that Chris and I don't have to coordinate maintaining a current copy of the AIS website updated by two different people. That cost would be on the order of $7.00 per month. We would also need a domain name, but that is included in the basic package at the ISP I would use. The programming for the site would be done by a company I have experience with. They are off shore and excellent. I have asked for a quote and will post the information when I have it. The development cost will come from the Electronic Services Restricted fund. The monthly cost can be covered by the website/electronic services budget.

John


Jill

-----Original Message-----
From: William Plotner <gardens@molalla.net>
Sent: Jan 19, 2007 9:42 AM
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Online Membership

I will add to this,

We also already have regional membership chrm. That should be their job as the AIS membership chrm already sends this list to them and I am sure that
it is available to the RVP's.

All MY Best

Will


----- Original Message -----
From: "K. Loberg" <loberg@adelphia.net>
To: <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Online Membership


Bob,   Your comment about a "high tech way" is valid to consider.

Going from what John's proposal indicates, "The easiest implementation would allow anyone to get the region list", I can tell you it would take
me
about 15 minutes to load that region list (from the web) into a database. And, combined with a number of public databases which can be purchased, it might take me another 20 minutes to 1 hour to match and extract addresses such that I'd have a new mailing list. High costs? Not really, I know
of
places to get public mailing lists from local government for very low fees
(I worked for County government for two decades and I used to provide
those
lists to entities who purchased them.)

So I don't want anyone thinking this is impractical or hard to do, because I could do it. I'm pretty sure there are commercial vendors who
sell the "matching" service on a state wide basis.

So I don't understand the need to make this available on the AIS web site. Does the membership secretary get a large number of inquiries that we're trying to eliminate or reduce? If the primary purpose is to serve
the RVPs and affiliates, I suggest announcing the list web location
privately, and not open to the public on the AIS web site. Sending the
list via email is an easy alternative.

   Are other plant societies doing this on a large scale?   I'm just
curious
to know.

Perhaps membership should be asked if they want their name published in
a
public list. There could be a check box on the renewal form giving their
permission.

   I appreciate John's thoughts for the unprotected approach for
simplicity
sake.  I'm very hesitant as to whether it should be public.

Kitty Loberg



----- Original Message -----
From: <bobplankmail@aol.com>

John raises a valid issue. We do need a written Privacy Policy (and a
Liability Disclaimer Policy) covering the Internets.

I quote below from "Guidebook for Directors of Nonprofit Corporations,"
second edition, published by the American Bar Association (2002).

"Confidential Information.  The nonprofit corporation should also
exercise
care to protect its confidential and proprietary information.
Employees,
volunteers, and others may have access to trade secrets or confidential
information such as donor or member lists, personnel information,
medical
records, patient or client information or other data or materials that
must be kept confidential.  The nonprofit corporation should adopt a
confidentially policy and should take reasonable precautions (such as passwords, limited distribution, stamping materials 'CONFIDENTIAL' to
protect against unauthorized dissemination of the organization's
confidential information."  Page 159-160; Emphasis added.

Privacy is a hot button issue with many. The laws vary from state to state and are not static. That's not to say that a member list, without addresses, is "confidential information." So far as I have determined,
such a list presently by law is not "material that must be kept
confidential."

I'm inclined to agree with John Jones, favoring the "simple unprotected
approach just like the SJI does," because I do not view widespread
dissemination to be a commercial practicality because of the high costs
that would be involved in matching my name with an address. I would
object
(mildly) if it turns out that there is an inexpensive high tech way to
do
so, and as a result I got a flood of Invitations to Join from the
orchid,
rose, hosta, daylily, cactus, and gourd societies.

Since the law does not appear to be determinative of the matter, it
should
be decided on other grounds, such as (a) whether rank and file members
would strongly object on privacy grounds to their names, without
addresses, being available on the AIS web site; and if so (b) whether overcoming such possible objections are outweighed by the complications
of
password protecting the data; or (c) whether just to continue providing
the lists to the RVPs by mail or fax on hardcopy, and to continue
relying
on the members' own resources, or the RVPs, to remind them of the need
to
renew.

Bob Plank

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