Re: Fwd: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties

[don.rude@comcast.net]

Good idea! 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janet Smith" <ypauls@sti.net> 
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org 
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 3:45:03 PM 
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Fwd: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties 

I for one would love to see you write an article for the Bulletin. 
I had no idea until I saw this discussion here. Many members probably 
do not realize the extent of the problem and your article would be a 
great 
benefit. 

Reconsider, 

Janet Smith 

---- Original Message ---- 
From: hager@aredee.com 
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org 
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Fwd: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties 
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:15:38 -0500 

>At the AIS Convention in 2009, I presented a program at the SJI 
>Section 
>meeting entitled "The Dutch Connection: Unregistered cultivars and 
>mislabeled plants". The problem is more pronounced with Japanese 
>irises, but 
>I have occasionally seen with Siberian irises also. This is the first 
>time I 
>have heard it mentioned with I. pseudacorus. I have heard Clarence 
>mention 
>the issue several times, but had not thought much about it until I 
>met a 
>Dutch grower and his wife who set up a greenhouse production facility 
>close 
>to me. We had many discussions about the business of plant production 
>and 
>the differences between production and marketing in the US and 
>Europe. 
> 
>The gist of it is this: 
>The Dutch flower markets, that are designed to efficiently broker cut 
> 
>flowers. With cut flowers, you can see what you are buying. There are 
> 
>quality checks and ways to resolve issues quickly. Live plants, 
>especially 
>dormant rootstock make up a very small part of the market. Growers 
>send the 
>plants to market and it is buyer beware. Unfortunately, the only 
>buyers are 
>brokers. The plant material goes on to growers all over the world, 
>who in 
>turn sell it to wholesalers or retailers, who in turn sell it to 
>gardeners. 
>At no point along the way do they actually see the flower in bloom, 
>so there 
>is no accountability. 
> 
>I would point out that I saw no intent by any growers to defraud 
>anyone at 
>the plants change hands. 
> 
>I had intended to write an article for the Bulletin, but the problem 
>appeared to be so specific for a few Sections that I shelved the 
>idea. 
>Perhaps I should resurrect it. 
> 
>Dennis Hager 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: cemahan@aol.com 
>Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:04 AM 
>To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org 
>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Fwd: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties 
> 
>AIS gave us registering all bulbous iris but not the responsibility 
>for 
>bearded or beardless irises; Bulbous irises may bear the name of 
>irises 
>registered by AIS but non bulbus irises including a clone of I. 
>pseudacorus 
>may not. Clarence 
> 
> 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Robert Pries <robertpries@embarqmail.com> 
>To: aisdiscuss <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org> 
>Sent: Mon, Feb 6, 2012 1:52 pm 
>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Fwd: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties 
> 
> 
>Don; AIS gave up registering Dutch Iris to the Dutch Royal Bulb 
>Growers 
>(KAVB) 
>n the 1940's. Because they are no longer registered through AIS, and 
>apparently 
>here were no working agreements made between the two organizations, 
>the KAVB 
>an use names we have used and vice-versa. Probably not a well thought 
>out 
>ituation. 
>----- Original Message ----- 
>rom: "don rude" <don.rude@comcast.net> 
>o: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org 
>ent: Monday, February 6, 2012 1:46:18 PM 
>ubject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Fwd: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties 
>This habit -- I understand -- applies to dutch iris as well. 
> 
>---- Original Message ----- 
>rom: "Robert Pries" <robertpries@embarqmail.com> 
>o: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org 
>ent: Monday, February 6, 2012 1:23:18 PM 
>ubject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Fwd: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties 
>Two Dutch Firms have used this name. They obviously do not care about 
> 
>accuracy 
>ince the image that one of them provides is of an Iris versicolor. I 
>am not 
>ure how one counters this behavior. But I will send e-mails 
>suggesting they 
>heck international registration information and question their 
>suppliers 
>thics. 
>----- Original Message ----- 
>rom: "don rude" <don.rude@comcast.net> 
>o: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org 
>ent: Monday, February 6, 2012 12:10:31 PM 
>ubject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Fwd: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties 
>I wonder if the seller simply decided to use the name without 
>bothering to 
>egister the cultivar. 
>should have remembered that t.b. 
>on 
>----- Original Message ----- 
>rom: "John Jones" <jijones@usjoneses.com> 
>o: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org 
>ent: Monday, February 6, 2012 11:52:55 AM 
>ubject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Fwd: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties 
>There is no I. pseudocorus registered with the name "Spartacus". In 
>fact 
>PARTACUS is a TB registered in 1973 (previously listed in 1935 but 
>released 
>and 
>e-used in 1973) 
>John 
>n Feb 6, 2012, at 8:25 AM, don.rude@comcast.net wrote: 
>> Bob Pries might have this information for iris wikipedia. 
>don 
> 
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Michelle Snyder" <AISSecretary@irises.org> 
>To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org 
>Cc: "Mike Lowe" <mlowe@worldiris.com>, plicataman@earthlink.net 
>Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 11:20:16 AM 
>Subject: [AISdiscuss] Fwd: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties 
> 
>The below email was received by me yesterday and if anyone can help 
>answer 
>the 
>uestions please do so. 
> 
>Michelle 
>-------- Original Message -------- 
>Subject: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties 
>Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 11:49:07 +0100 
>From: Arborea Farm S.S. Soc. Agr. <info@arboreafarm.com> 
>To: aissecretary@irises.org 
> 
>Dear Michelle Snyder, 
>Our farm has found a "Iris pseudacorus Spartacus" from a vendor who 
>is 
>in the Netherlands 
>We would like to ask for your help. 
>We are looking for information about who was to hybridize and what is 
>its origin. You know help us in this search? 
> 
>Thanks for your attention. I apologize if I have written in bad 
>English, I used an automatic translator. 
>Best regards. Mauro Pizzolato 
> 
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