Re: Fwd: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties

["Janet Smith" <ypauls@sti.net>]

I for one would love to see you write an article for the Bulletin.
I had no idea until I saw this discussion here.  Many members probably
do not realize the extent of the problem and your article would be a
great
benefit.

Reconsider,

Janet Smith

---- Original Message ----
From: hager@aredee.com
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Fwd: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:15:38 -0500

>At the AIS Convention in 2009, I presented a program at the SJI
>Section 
>meeting entitled "The Dutch Connection: Unregistered cultivars and 
>mislabeled plants". The problem is more pronounced with Japanese
>irises, but 
>I have occasionally seen with Siberian irises also. This is the first
>time I 
>have heard it mentioned with I. pseudacorus. I have heard Clarence
>mention 
>the issue several times, but had not thought much about it until I
>met a 
>Dutch grower and his wife who set up a greenhouse production facility
>close 
>to me. We had many discussions about the business of plant production
>and 
>the differences between production and marketing in the US and
>Europe.
>
>The gist of it is this:
>The Dutch flower markets, that are designed to efficiently broker cut
>
>flowers. With cut flowers, you can see what you are buying. There are
>
>quality checks and ways to resolve issues quickly. Live plants,
>especially 
>dormant rootstock make up a very small part of the market. Growers
>send the 
>plants to market and it is buyer beware. Unfortunately, the only
>buyers are 
>brokers. The plant material goes on to growers all over the world,
>who in 
>turn sell it to wholesalers or retailers, who in turn sell it to
>gardeners. 
>At no point along the way do they actually see the flower in bloom,
>so there 
>is no accountability.
>
>I would point out that I saw no intent by any growers to defraud
>anyone at 
>the plants change hands.
>
>I had intended to write an article for the Bulletin, but the problem 
>appeared to be so specific for a few Sections that I shelved the
>idea. 
>Perhaps I should resurrect it.
>
>Dennis Hager
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: cemahan@aol.com
>Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:04 AM
>To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Fwd: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties
>
>AIS gave us registering all bulbous iris but not the responsibility
>for
>bearded or beardless irises;  Bulbous irises may bear the name of
>irises
>registered by AIS but non bulbus irises including a clone of I.
>pseudacorus
>may not.  Clarence
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert Pries <robertpries@embarqmail.com>
>To: aisdiscuss <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
>Sent: Mon, Feb 6, 2012 1:52 pm
>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Fwd: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties
>
>
>Don; AIS gave up registering Dutch Iris to the Dutch Royal Bulb
>Growers 
>(KAVB)
>n the 1940's. Because they are no longer registered through AIS, and
>apparently
>here were no working agreements made between the two organizations,
>the KAVB
>an use names we have used and vice-versa. Probably not a well thought
>out
>ituation.
>----- Original Message -----
>rom: "don rude" <don.rude@comcast.net>
>o: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>ent: Monday, February 6, 2012 1:46:18 PM
>ubject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Fwd: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties
>This habit -- I understand -- applies to dutch iris as well.
>
>---- Original Message -----
>rom: "Robert Pries" <robertpries@embarqmail.com>
>o: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>ent: Monday, February 6, 2012 1:23:18 PM
>ubject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Fwd: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties
>Two Dutch Firms have used this name. They obviously do not care about
>
>accuracy
>ince the image that one of them provides is of an Iris versicolor. I
>am not
>ure how one counters this behavior. But I will send e-mails
>suggesting they
>heck international registration information and question their
>suppliers
>thics.
>----- Original Message -----
>rom: "don rude" <don.rude@comcast.net>
>o: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>ent: Monday, February 6, 2012 12:10:31 PM
>ubject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Fwd: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties
>I wonder if the seller simply decided to use the name without
>bothering to
>egister the cultivar.
>should have remembered that t.b.
>on
>----- Original Message -----
>rom: "John Jones" <jijones@usjoneses.com>
>o: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>ent: Monday, February 6, 2012 11:52:55 AM
>ubject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Fwd: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties
>There is no I. pseudocorus registered with the name "Spartacus". In
>fact
>PARTACUS is a TB registered in 1973 (previously listed in 1935 but
>released
>and
>e-used in 1973)
>John
>n Feb 6, 2012, at 8:25 AM, don.rude@comcast.net wrote:
>> Bob Pries might have this information for iris wikipedia.
>don
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michelle Snyder" <AISSecretary@irises.org>
>To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>Cc: "Mike Lowe" <mlowe@worldiris.com>, plicataman@earthlink.net
>Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 11:20:16 AM
>Subject: [AISdiscuss] Fwd: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties
>
>The below email was received by me yesterday and if anyone can help
>answer
>the
>uestions please do so.
>
>Michelle
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties
>Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 11:49:07 +0100
>From: Arborea Farm S.S. Soc. Agr. <info@arboreafarm.com>
>To: aissecretary@irises.org
>
>Dear Michelle Snyder,
>Our farm has found a "Iris pseudacorus Spartacus" from a vendor who
>is
>in the Netherlands
>We would like to ask for your help.
>We are looking for information about who was to hybridize and what is
>its origin. You know help us in this search?
>
>Thanks for your attention. I apologize if I have written in bad
>English, I used an automatic translator.
>Best regards. Mauro Pizzolato
>
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