Re: Fwd: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties

At the AIS Convention in 2009, I presented a program at the SJI Section meeting entitled "The Dutch Connection: Unregistered cultivars and mislabeled plants". The problem is more pronounced with Japanese irises, but I have occasionally seen with Siberian irises also. This is the first time I have heard it mentioned with I. pseudacorus. I have heard Clarence mention the issue several times, but had not thought much about it until I met a Dutch grower and his wife who set up a greenhouse production facility close to me. We had many discussions about the business of plant production and the differences between production and marketing in the US and Europe. 

The gist of it is this:
The Dutch flower markets, that are designed to efficiently broker cut flowers. With cut flowers, you can see what you are buying. There are quality checks and ways to resolve issues quickly. Live plants, especially dormant rootstock make up a very small part of the market. Growers send the plants to market and it is buyer beware. Unfortunately, the only buyers are brokers. The plant material goes on to growers all over the world, who in turn sell it to wholesalers or retailers, who in turn sell it to gardeners. At no point along the way do they actually see the flower in bloom, so there is no accountability.
I would point out that I saw no intent by any growers to defraud anyone at the plants change hands.
I had intended to write an article for the Bulletin, but the problem appeared to be so specific for a few Sections that I shelved the idea. Perhaps I should resurrect it. 

Dennis Hager
-----Original Message----- From: cemahan@aol.com 
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AIS gave us registering all bulbous iris but not the responsibility for
bearded or beardless irises;  Bulbous irises may bear the name of irises
registered by AIS but non bulbus irises including a clone of I. pseudacorus
may not.  Clarence



-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Pries <robertpries@embarqmail.com>
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Sent: Mon, Feb 6, 2012 1:52 pm
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Don; AIS gave up registering Dutch Iris to the Dutch Royal Bulb Growers (KAVB) 
n the 1940's. Because they are no longer registered through AIS, and
apparently
here were no working agreements made between the two organizations, the KAVB
an use names we have used and vice-versa. Probably not a well thought out
ituation.
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ent: Monday, February 6, 2012 1:46:18 PM
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This habit -- I understand -- applies to dutch iris as well.

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rom: "Robert Pries" <robertpries@embarqmail.com>
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ent: Monday, February 6, 2012 1:23:18 PM
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Two Dutch Firms have used this name. They obviously do not care about accuracy 
ince the image that one of them provides is of an Iris versicolor. I am not
ure how one counters this behavior. But I will send e-mails suggesting they
heck international registration information and question their suppliers
thics.
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rom: "don rude" <don.rude@comcast.net>
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ent: Monday, February 6, 2012 12:10:31 PM
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I wonder if the seller simply decided to use the name without bothering to
egister the cultivar.
should have remembered that t.b.
on
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rom: "John Jones" <jijones@usjoneses.com>
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ent: Monday, February 6, 2012 11:52:55 AM
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There is no I. pseudocorus registered with the name "Spartacus". In fact
PARTACUS is a TB registered in 1973 (previously listed in 1935 but released
and
e-used in 1973)
John
n Feb 6, 2012, at 8:25 AM, don.rude@comcast.net wrote:

Bob Pries might have this information for iris wikipedia.

don

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michelle Snyder" <AISSecretary@irises.org>
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
Cc: "Mike Lowe" <mlowe@worldiris.com>, plicataman@earthlink.net
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 11:20:16 AM
Subject: [AISdiscuss] Fwd: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties

The below email was received by me yesterday and if anyone can help answer
the
uestions please do so.

Michelle
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Iris pseudacorus unknown varieties
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 11:49:07 +0100
From: Arborea Farm S.S. Soc. Agr. <info@arboreafarm.com>
To: aissecretary@irises.org

Dear Michelle Snyder,
Our farm has found a "Iris pseudacorus Spartacus" from a vendor who is
in the Netherlands
We would like to ask for your help.
We are looking for information about who was to hybridize and what is
its origin. You know help us in this search?

Thanks for your attention. I apologize if I have written in bad
English, I used an automatic translator.
Best regards. Mauro Pizzolato

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