Re: AIS Silent Auction - your thoughts on this please

[<pattoolan2@bigpond.com>]

As ASI President I have been following the discussion.
I have passed on much of the discussion to Betsy but I will try to reach either Lyn or Betsy as soon as possible re an article in the Bulletin.
Regards,
Pat Toolan
PO Box 568
Angaston
South Australia
5353---- Janet Smith <ypauls@sti.net> wrote: 
> Hey Jim,
> 
> Have someone from Aril Society write an article - PDQ = pretty darn
> quick
> for the bulletin and don't worry about photos - person of interest
> could request them later.
> 
> Tick Tock!
> 
> Janet Smith
> 
> 
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: cemahan@aol.com
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] AIS Silent Auction - your thoughts on this
> please
> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 21:15:00 -0500 (EST)
> 
> >The AIS silent auction has had at least one donation of an oriiginal
> >Dykes The
> >Genus Iris in the past. It was not in the best condition but brought
> >a little
> >more than $1,700.  It was about the year 2000 and I remember being
> >surprised
> >because the condition was so poor.  A few years earlier I had bought
> >a copy in
> >excellent condition from a bookseller for less than $1,000.
> >
> >I suggest giving space to ASI to offer the item for sale in the
> >Bulletin
> >rather than set a precedent of allowing cooperating societies,
> >affiliiates or
> >regions to sell their items in the AIS convention silent auction.  We
> >initially set up the auction because AIS was broke. Dave Niswonger
> >was
> >president at that time, and I remember well because it was my idea. 
> >Making
> >the auction more complex is in my opinion less than wise. I am not
> >against
> >change but some change is better than other change. Clarence
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: MORRISJE1 <MORRISJE1@aol.com>
> >To: aisdiscuss <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
> >Cc: irislyn <irislyn@cox.net>
> >Sent: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 4:14 pm
> >Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] AIS Silent Auction - your thoughts on this
> >pleaseA
> >
> >I have been reading all the interesting discussion regarding The
> >Genus
> >ris bequeath from Francesca Thoolen to the Aril Society International
> >and
> >ould like to share some separate discussions in November I had with
> >Lyn
> >ilson,  an ASI member who has been involved with Karla Garcia
> >(Francesca's
> >aughter) and  Betsy Higgins.  I cut & pasted from several emails in
> >date
> >equence
> >oldest to newest. So it looks like AIS can do this for ASI in a
> >on-precedent setting mode.  I find myself agreeing with Cheryl Deaton
> >but
> >hink it
> >ot unreasonable to take a minimal commission of say 10% on such an 
> >item.
> >
> >im M.
> >
> > have some mixed thoughts on this.  I agree that  we should have a
> >minimum
> >id, that the book NOT be on display, but  secured
> >omewhere (unfortunately we have experienced theft in many areas the 
> >past
> >ew
> >onventions) and that it could be examined by bidders separately, 
> >that ASI
> >et
> >n insurance rider to protect Region 15, and that an ASI member  be
> >there to
> >nswer questions.  I think these special circumstances for  Silent
> >Auction
> >tems should be a board decision, not the responsibility of  the
> >Silent
> >uction
> >hair, since in some cases this could decrease the amount  of money
> >spent on
> >ilent auction items (in a tough economy you chose  carefully where
> >your
> >oney
> >oes).  As to AIS getting a percentage of the  proceeds, I am not
> >convinced
> >e
> >eed to do this.
> >heryl
> >
> >
> >RANCESCA ROMEO THOOLEN
> >921-2011
> >rancesca bequeathed her copy of The Genus Iris by W. R. Dykes  to ASI
> >for
> >uction with the proceeds going to ASI.  In compliance with her 
> >wishes, The
> >enus Iris will be offered for Silent Auction at the 2011 AIS 
> >Convention
> >n Ontario, CA.
> >yn, The 1974 Dover Publications unabridged  republication of the
> >original
> >1913) edition is clothbound and measures 8-1/2 x  12" and is 20%
> >smaller
> >han the 1913 book of 10 x 14-1/2".  What size is  the Thoolan book? 
> >If it is
> >arger and in fact is an original it is of  inestimable value. 
> >Otherwise
> >t is as valued on E-bay or that of the  various online book sources. 
> >Jim M.
> >
> >
> >ynn,
> >his sounds like the original!  I don't know who  Betsy talked to in
> >"AIS"
> >hat they weren't willing to share auction proceeds  with ASI.  It
> >would
> >eem to me that such a sharing is possible and  probable.  We have
> >shared in
> >he past.  The audience would certainly  be larger whether at the
> >Silent
> >uction or at the Geek Dinner.  I will copy  a couple of other AIS
> >board
> >members
> >to see what they might think is  possible.  Jim M.
> >
> >ORRISJE1@aol.com wrote:
> > John,
> > Thanks.  That is what I thought too.  The rare book search I  just
> >did
> > shows copies for sale as follow:
> >
> > Bauman  Rare Books $2,200.00
> > Johnnycake Books    $1,253.50
> >  Jans Collectables      $   700.00
> > Three copies  of only 300 printed in 1913.>
> > Jim M.>
> > In a  message dated 11/8/2011 5:50:28 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> >  jijones@usjoneses.com writes:
> >
> > All,
> > If we were to  auction it at the Geek Dinner we would of  course be
> >illing
> > to  share the proceeds. I don't see why special arrangements  could
> >not
> >e
> > made for the Silent Auction as well. It is only one item to be  
> >treated
> >hus.
> > I can understand that, especially at the Silent Auction,  they 
> >would not
> > want to have a lot of items shared, it would be an  accounting 
> >nightmare.
> >
> > The Silent Auction venue would  probably be better - larger  crowd
> >than
> >he
> > Geek Dinner.
> >
> > My copy of the Dykes is dated Cambridge  Press 1913. I have never 
> >heard
> >f
> > earlier editions. Mine has leather on the  spine wrapped  around
> >about
> >wo
> > inches into both the front and back covers. The   rest of the covers
> >are
> >reen
> > hardboard covered with a fabric material,  typical  of the time. I
> >have
> >eard
> > of, but never seen, a rigid  dust cover that the  volume can slip 
> >into.
> >
> >  John
> >im,
> >hanks so much for all your research and  work!
> >he terms of her will state that the book is to be  auctioned with the
> >roceeds to go to ASI.  I'm thinking that 10% would not  be out of
> >compliance
> >ith her terms.  The Geeks hoped for 50%, and that  probably will not
> >work.
> >'m not sure about the 20%, but it may be over the  amount that would
> >satisfy
> >he terms of her will.  Some board members felt  10% would work.
> >ust a lot of questions.
> >hanks again,
> >-
> >yn  Wilson
> >---- MORRISJE1@aol.com wrote:
> > Subject:  F. Thoolan's  copy of The Genus Iris for auction to 
> >benefit ASI
> >
> >  Judy,
> >
> > Do we have any set procedure for handling items at  the AIS Silent
> >uction
> > for Sections/Cooperating Societies or is  it left to the discretion
> >of
> >he
> > committee?  I know we have  handled items in the past but don't know
> >what
> >
> > portion accrued to  AIS vs the Section/Cooperating Society.
> >
> > Booksellers I  have talked to charge anywhere from 20% to 50%
> >commission
> >or
> >   handling an item for another party.  I would think 20% would be
> >easonable
> >  for AIS to handle the mint condition copy of The Genus Iris for 
> >the
> >ril
> > Society International.  What do you and others  think?  I've  copied
> >eanne
> > as our Policy chairman and  Clarence because he buys rare  books.  I
> >ould
> > think that a  minimum bid price in the $150-$200 range  would
> > be a reasonable  starting point.  I would appreciate a response from
> >ll.
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Jim M.
> >  ****************************************
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> >****************************
> >
> >
> >n a message dated 2/1/2012 8:28:49 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> >obertpries@embarqmail.com writes:
> >Debra; I  can comment on part of your requirements. Several months
> >ago when
> >rancesca  died I found a person in AIS close to her residence that
> >could
> >ork with her  family to rescue her Iris stuff before it was trashed.
> >Thank
> >ou Ken Walker.  When it was noted that she had an original Dykes
> >monograph I
> >olunteered to  advertize it on Facebook and wherever else I could get
> >some
> >elp. They have  been working on getting photos so we can publicize
> >this
> >ffering. People would  submit sealed bids that would be opened at the
> >end of
> >he silent auction and  it would be determined if an electronic bidder
> >had
> >urpassed the convention  bidders. PR and Marketing will do its best
> >to get
> >ublicity of course help is  always appreciated.
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