Re: AIS Silent Auction - your thoughts on this please

["Janet Smith" <ypauls@sti.net>]

Hey Jim,

Have someone from Aril Society write an article - PDQ = pretty darn
quick
for the bulletin and don't worry about photos - person of interest
could request them later.

Tick Tock!

Janet Smith


---- Original Message ----
From: cemahan@aol.com
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] AIS Silent Auction - your thoughts on this
please
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 21:15:00 -0500 (EST)

>The AIS silent auction has had at least one donation of an oriiginal
>Dykes The
>Genus Iris in the past. It was not in the best condition but brought
>a little
>more than $1,700.  It was about the year 2000 and I remember being
>surprised
>because the condition was so poor.  A few years earlier I had bought
>a copy in
>excellent condition from a bookseller for less than $1,000.
>
>I suggest giving space to ASI to offer the item for sale in the
>Bulletin
>rather than set a precedent of allowing cooperating societies,
>affiliiates or
>regions to sell their items in the AIS convention silent auction.  We
>initially set up the auction because AIS was broke. Dave Niswonger
>was
>president at that time, and I remember well because it was my idea. 
>Making
>the auction more complex is in my opinion less than wise. I am not
>against
>change but some change is better than other change. Clarence
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: MORRISJE1 <MORRISJE1@aol.com>
>To: aisdiscuss <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
>Cc: irislyn <irislyn@cox.net>
>Sent: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 4:14 pm
>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] AIS Silent Auction - your thoughts on this
>pleaseA
>
>I have been reading all the interesting discussion regarding The
>Genus
>ris bequeath from Francesca Thoolen to the Aril Society International
>and
>ould like to share some separate discussions in November I had with
>Lyn
>ilson,  an ASI member who has been involved with Karla Garcia
>(Francesca's
>aughter) and  Betsy Higgins.  I cut & pasted from several emails in
>date
>equence
>oldest to newest. So it looks like AIS can do this for ASI in a
>on-precedent setting mode.  I find myself agreeing with Cheryl Deaton
>but
>hink it
>ot unreasonable to take a minimal commission of say 10% on such an 
>item.
>
>im M.
>
> have some mixed thoughts on this.  I agree that  we should have a
>minimum
>id, that the book NOT be on display, but  secured
>omewhere (unfortunately we have experienced theft in many areas the 
>past
>ew
>onventions) and that it could be examined by bidders separately, 
>that ASI
>et
>n insurance rider to protect Region 15, and that an ASI member  be
>there to
>nswer questions.  I think these special circumstances for  Silent
>Auction
>tems should be a board decision, not the responsibility of  the
>Silent
>uction
>hair, since in some cases this could decrease the amount  of money
>spent on
>ilent auction items (in a tough economy you chose  carefully where
>your
>oney
>oes).  As to AIS getting a percentage of the  proceeds, I am not
>convinced
>e
>eed to do this.
>heryl
>
>
>RANCESCA ROMEO THOOLEN
>921-2011
>rancesca bequeathed her copy of The Genus Iris by W. R. Dykes  to ASI
>for
>uction with the proceeds going to ASI.  In compliance with her 
>wishes, The
>enus Iris will be offered for Silent Auction at the 2011 AIS 
>Convention
>n Ontario, CA.
>yn, The 1974 Dover Publications unabridged  republication of the
>original
>1913) edition is clothbound and measures 8-1/2 x  12" and is 20%
>smaller
>han the 1913 book of 10 x 14-1/2".  What size is  the Thoolan book? 
>If it is
>arger and in fact is an original it is of  inestimable value. 
>Otherwise
>t is as valued on E-bay or that of the  various online book sources. 
>Jim M.
>
>
>ynn,
>his sounds like the original!  I don't know who  Betsy talked to in
>"AIS"
>hat they weren't willing to share auction proceeds  with ASI.  It
>would
>eem to me that such a sharing is possible and  probable.  We have
>shared in
>he past.  The audience would certainly  be larger whether at the
>Silent
>uction or at the Geek Dinner.  I will copy  a couple of other AIS
>board
>members
>to see what they might think is  possible.  Jim M.
>
>ORRISJE1@aol.com wrote:
> John,
> Thanks.  That is what I thought too.  The rare book search I  just
>did
> shows copies for sale as follow:
>
> Bauman  Rare Books $2,200.00
> Johnnycake Books    $1,253.50
>  Jans Collectables      $   700.00
> Three copies  of only 300 printed in 1913.>
> Jim M.>
> In a  message dated 11/8/2011 5:50:28 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>  jijones@usjoneses.com writes:
>
> All,
> If we were to  auction it at the Geek Dinner we would of  course be
>illing
> to  share the proceeds. I don't see why special arrangements  could
>not
>e
> made for the Silent Auction as well. It is only one item to be  
>treated
>hus.
> I can understand that, especially at the Silent Auction,  they 
>would not
> want to have a lot of items shared, it would be an  accounting 
>nightmare.
>
> The Silent Auction venue would  probably be better - larger  crowd
>than
>he
> Geek Dinner.
>
> My copy of the Dykes is dated Cambridge  Press 1913. I have never 
>heard
>f
> earlier editions. Mine has leather on the  spine wrapped  around
>about
>wo
> inches into both the front and back covers. The   rest of the covers
>are
>reen
> hardboard covered with a fabric material,  typical  of the time. I
>have
>eard
> of, but never seen, a rigid  dust cover that the  volume can slip 
>into.
>
>  John
>im,
>hanks so much for all your research and  work!
>he terms of her will state that the book is to be  auctioned with the
>roceeds to go to ASI.  I'm thinking that 10% would not  be out of
>compliance
>ith her terms.  The Geeks hoped for 50%, and that  probably will not
>work.
>'m not sure about the 20%, but it may be over the  amount that would
>satisfy
>he terms of her will.  Some board members felt  10% would work.
>ust a lot of questions.
>hanks again,
>-
>yn  Wilson
>---- MORRISJE1@aol.com wrote:
> Subject:  F. Thoolan's  copy of The Genus Iris for auction to 
>benefit ASI
>
>  Judy,
>
> Do we have any set procedure for handling items at  the AIS Silent
>uction
> for Sections/Cooperating Societies or is  it left to the discretion
>of
>he
> committee?  I know we have  handled items in the past but don't know
>what
>
> portion accrued to  AIS vs the Section/Cooperating Society.
>
> Booksellers I  have talked to charge anywhere from 20% to 50%
>commission
>or
>   handling an item for another party.  I would think 20% would be
>easonable
>  for AIS to handle the mint condition copy of The Genus Iris for 
>the
>ril
> Society International.  What do you and others  think?  I've  copied
>eanne
> as our Policy chairman and  Clarence because he buys rare  books.  I
>ould
> think that a  minimum bid price in the $150-$200 range  would
> be a reasonable  starting point.  I would appreciate a response from
>ll.
> Thanks.
>
> Jim M.
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>
>
>n a message dated 2/1/2012 8:28:49 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>obertpries@embarqmail.com writes:
>Debra; I  can comment on part of your requirements. Several months
>ago when
>rancesca  died I found a person in AIS close to her residence that
>could
>ork with her  family to rescue her Iris stuff before it was trashed.
>Thank
>ou Ken Walker.  When it was noted that she had an original Dykes
>monograph I
>olunteered to  advertize it on Facebook and wherever else I could get
>some
>elp. They have  been working on getting photos so we can publicize
>this
>ffering. People would  submit sealed bids that would be opened at the
>end of
>he silent auction and  it would be determined if an electronic bidder
>had
>urpassed the convention  bidders. PR and Marketing will do its best
>to get
>ublicity of course help is  always appreciated.
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