Re: Emembership

[Jill Bonino <aistreas@earthlink.net>]

Thanks Judy and John for the further clarification.   Lookin' good.  Jill


-----Original Message-----
>From: Judy Keisling <keisling@swbell.net>
>Sent: Oct 18, 2011 11:29 AM
>To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>
>See my responses under each question. 
>
>________________________________
>From: Jill Bonino <aistreas@earthlink.net>
>To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>Sent:
>Tue, October 18, 2011 11:02:49 AM
>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>Judy: I propose that for those people who have already paid for Emembership
>that 
>their "year" begin on the day the system is working. That way they truly
>receive 
>a year's membership.  It would not be fair to consider the time
>between they 
>paid and when the system is actually working as part of their
>year's membership.
>
>
>Any estimate for how long it will take for the system to
>be up and running?  
>Judy: This would be a response from John.
>
>Once the "free
>trial" is over, will those who joined when it was "free" then 
>have to pay for
>further access or will they get a year "free"? 
>
>Judy:   If an individual
>actually paid for Ememebership during the free trial 
>period, then my answer
>to your first question would apply.  
>
>
>Jill
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>-----Original
>Message-----
>>From: Judy Keisling <keisling@swbell.net>
>>Sent: Oct 17, 2011
>11:58 AM
>>To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>
>>Jill,  
>>
>>John would be the one to answer this question.  However, based on
>a
>>discussion I 
>>had with him last night, the free trial will end as soon as
>the
>>system is 
>>working properly - that is to say, until the enrollment
>process
>>problem can be 
>>resolved.  
>>
>>
>>The free trial was put into place
>so that those
>>who tried to enroll and paid 
>>through PayPal would not be
>"frustrated."
>>Actually, the free trial may be a good thing.  People who take
>advantage of it
>>while it lasts may get "hooked" on emembership and actually
>join when the
>>enrollment issue is resolved.
>>
>>Judy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>From:
>>Jill Bonino <aistreas@earthlink.net>
>>To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>Sent: Mon,
>>October 17, 2011 1:49:12 PM
>>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>
>>John &
>>Judy..
>>
>>How long is the
>"free trial" going to be open?  Frankly, we need all
>>of the 
>>income we can
>get NOW.  
>>
>>
>>Jill
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From:
>>John Jones
><jijones@usjoneses.com>
>>>Sent: Oct 17, 2011 8:45 AM
>>>To:
>>aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>>
>>>Bob,
>>>
>>>We
>>can talk tomorrow morning. I have put a temporary solution in place. 
>>>
>>>With
>>President Keisling's concurrence I have modified the website to
>provide
>>>emembership as a free trial for a limited time.
>>>
>>>So now anyone
>can use it
>>with the temporary ID and Password. Not only solves the 
>>>current
>problem, 
>>but it is good marketing too.
>>>
>>>John
>>>
>>>On Oct 17, 2011, at
>7:42 AM, Robert
>>Pries wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry, I missed your call. Thats pretty
>late for me but I
>>will stay up. I think 
>>>>we can solve this.
>>>> 
>>>> -----
>Original Message
>>-----
>>>> From: "John Jones" <jijones@usjoneses.com>
>>>> To:
>>aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:31:39 AM
>>>>
>>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>>> 
>>>> I have always been open to new
>>ideas. I've been thinking out of the box my 
>>>>entire career starting with
>the
>>Navy (you try getting the Navy to do something 
>>>>different  <grin>)
>>>>
>>>>
>>Tried calling you this morning. I am working today so we can try tonight
>after
>>>>7:30 PDT
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> On Oct 17, 2011, at 4:03 AM, Robert Pries
>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John; I am willing to do everything I can to help. I have some
>ideas that
>>might 
>>>>>solve the problems. Give me a call if you are willing
>to think out
>>of the box.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From:
>"John Jones"
>><jijones@usjoneses.com>
>>>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>>
>Sent: Sunday,
>>October 16, 2011 1:39:32 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss]
>Emembership
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>I would like to be clear about the situation:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sorry for the
>>confusion and problems we are having. They are my
>fault 
>>>>>certainly not
>>Tom's.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The problems are not with the
>e-service per-se but with the
>>enrollment process. 
>>>>>I thought that the
>enrollment process had been
>>properly implemented in its test 
>>>>>mode some
>time ago and did not properly
>>vet the process prior to making the
>>>>>announcement.  I apologize. I had been
>>concentration on getting the
>software 
>>>>>pieces together to display the
>>bulletins and BIC that I
>neglected to verify the 
>>>>>enrollment process.
>>>>>
>>>>> The issue is not as
>straight forward as some might like to think. It
>>involves 
>>>>>several
>different types of operating systems and security
>>protocols.
>>>>>Architecturally, I understand it, but from a programming
>>perspective it
>is 
>>>>>beyond my skill level; which is why we are using Chris
>>at Mallorn to
>do the 
>>>>>implementation. Even for him there have been some
>>significant
>challenges. We are 
>>>>>woking on it, but we are only two. This
>>process does
>not lend itself to 
>>>>>collaborative development except in
>>professional
>environments with lots of 
>>>>>money.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't see in any
>>of the
>motions implementing emembership a requirement for 
>>>>>automatic
>>renewal
>using PayPal. I will look into it after we get past the first
>>>>>implementation phase. Certainly a nice thing but hardly a show stopper. I
>>would 
>>>>>also want to know that the Membership Secretary would want that.
>>There are 
>>>>>record keeping things that he needs. We also don't do that for
>>AIS paper 
>>>>>memberships subscribed to through PayPal.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As to how
>>fast the Daylily site responds. They are probably using an automatic
>>>>>system to generate IDs and passwords, require certain characteristics for
>>>>>passwords etc.. Then you have to have a system to regenerate passwords,
>>confirm 
>>>>>IDs send email to the address of record etc. Most big
>subscription
>>sites have 
>>>>>all that. All it takes is programmers, time, and
>money. It also
>>takes some 
>>>>>flexibility away from us like monitoring AIS
>membership for
>>judges training 
>>>>>requirements. Yeah we could probably
>figure out a way to
>>get the information out 
>>>>>of an automatic system but
>again - programming,
>>time, and money.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am not saying that we
>cannot or won't do that, but
>>not now. If there is 
>>>>>someone in our ranks
>that has the programming skills
>>and is willing to donate 
>>>>>their time I
>would love to move all our services
>>onto one host. If you know of
>>>>>someone with that considerable skill set,
>>please let me know.
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile, I have set up a temporary account
>>ID: Temporary  Password:
>Irises  
>>>>>that anyone may use. To get to the
>>emembers section go to the
>AIS website home 
>>>>>page (http://www.irises.org)
>>and click on the
>"Emembers" button on the right 
>>>>>hand side just above our
>>logo.
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>You will be able to access the online Bulletins and BIC. If you
>>select
>>>>>Irisregister, you will be asked for the ID and PW again. That is
>>just the
>way it 
>>>>>is, at least for now. Don't bother commenting about it, we
>>will
>get that 
>>>>>eliminated when we can.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct
>>16, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Robert Pries wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tom; I am pleased this
>is
>>being worked on. I would like to remind the group of 
>>>>>>some another
>>parameter that were supposed to be functional and does not seem to 
>>>>>>be
>>there. The one reason we made the Emembership for a year at a time was that
>>>>>>PayPal offers an option to have the payment automatically renewed when it
>>>>>>expires. Thus Three year memberships etc. are not necessary to have
>>membership 
>>>>>>continue. It seems this choice was left off the PayPal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Tom Gormley"
>><gormleygreenery@gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>>> Sent:
>>Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:41:50 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss]
>Emembership
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bob & All,
>>>>>> You are correct that it should have
>happened within
>>hours if not minutes.
>>>>>> Unfortunately the news that it
>was ready to go was
>>optimistic at best. 
>>There
>>>>>> are still two or three
>components that need to
>>be fixed before the
>>>>>> emembership function is
>working. I am working with
>>John Jones to get these
>>>>>> resolved and
>apologize to those who believed what
>>we said. I'm hopeful that
>>>>>> these
>issues will be resolved this weekend.
>>>>>> Tom Gormley
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun,
>Oct 16, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Robert Pries
>>>>>><robertpries@embarqmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My payment cleared
>>immediately and I got an acknowledgement
>from PayPal
>>>>>>> that the amount had
>>been paid immediately but it has been
>almost a week (I
>>>>>>> signed up when
>>John announced it) and no password or
>access. As a test I
>>>>>>> joined the
>>daylily Society. In seconds I recieved
>back a letter from their
>>>>>>>
>>president thanking me for joining and saying
>i could immediately access
>>>>>>>
>>their website. This is how this is supposed
>to work. Ironically before I
>>>>>>>
>>joined the Daylily society there was a
>warning that it might take a little
>>>>>>> time for the membership to be
>approved so i did not expect it for at
>>least 
>>>a
>>>>>>> couple of hours. But
>as I said within seconds I was perusing
>>their members
>>>>>>> site, another
>whole story. I had hopes we could bring the
>>Iris Society up 
>>>to
>>>>>>> the
>standards expected in todays world but that
>>does not seem possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>
>>From: "cheryl deaton"
><region15kids@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> To:
>>aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>>>> Sent:
>Saturday, October 15, 2011 9:34:12 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss]
>Emembership
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> More than likely you
>>will get the information from
>the AISMemSec once the
>>>>>>> payment has
>>cleared.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>From: irismom@nc.rr.com
>>>>>>>> To:
>>aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>>>>> Subject:
>RE: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>>>>>>>
>>Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:35:12 -0400
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I signed up for
>>E-membership on Wednesday; it's now
>Saturday. How do I
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> the
>>userID to access my E-membership?
>>>>>>>> Susan Grigg
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From:
>owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org [mailto:
>>>>>>> owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org]
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of John Jones
>>>>>>>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011
>11:21 AM
>>>>>>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [AISdiscuss]
>Emembership
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Emembership is now
>>available. Interested
>subscribers can join via the AIS
>>>>>>>> PayPal page or
>>directly with the AIS
>Membership
>>>>>>>> Secretary. Emembership is separate
>>from the conventional
>AIS membership.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We are working on making
>>the current
>subscribers to irisregister.com
>>>>>>>> emembers but still have a
>>few snags
>to work through. Irisregister
>>>>>>>> subscribers will continue to
>>have full
>access to irisregister.com while
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> fix this problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The news page on the AIS website says:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The AIS
>>announces a new membership service - Electronic Membership.
>>>>>>>>
>Emembership
>>is separate from the normal AIS membership. Emembers do not
>>>>>>>> receive
>>printed copies of the AIS Bulletins. Instead, they have
>access to
>>>>>>>>
>>online AIS Bulletins using an easy to use viewer. Emembers
>also have
>>>>>>>
>>access
>>>>>>>> to online viewing of The Basic Iris Culture
>booklet and
>>automatic access
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> irisregister.com, the online
>iris
>>registration database. Addtitional
>>>>>>>> services may be made
>available in
>>the future. Click on Join Emembership
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> become
>an Emember
>>online. Current subscribers to irisregister.com will
>>>>>>>>
>automatically be
>>made AIS Emembers after we work through a few glitches.
>>>>>>>> Emembers will
>>need the Adobe Flash Player to view the online
>>>>>>>
>publications.
>>>>>>>> The
>>Flash player is free and may be downloaded from
>>>>>>>>
>>http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>
>>_____________________________
>>>>>>>> John Jones
>>>>>>>> Director, American
>Iris
>>Society
>>>>>>>> Chair, Electronic Services Committee
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>--
>>>>>> Tom Gormley
>>>>>> P. O. Box 177, De Leon Springs, FL 32130
>>>>>>
>Phone &
>>Fax-386-277-2057
>>>>>> gormleygreenery@gmail.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
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>>>>> 
>>>>> __________________ 
>>>>>
>>John I Jones
>>>>> Registrar-Recorder
>>>>> American Iris Society
>>>>>
>>aisregistrar@irises.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>
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>>>> __________________ 
>>>>
>John I
>>Jones
>>>> Registrar-Recorder
>>>> American Iris Society
>>>>
>>aisregistrar@irises.org
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>__________________ 
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>Jones
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>>>American Iris Society
>>>aisregistrar@irises.org
>>>
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>Are we going to refund the monies already paid for Emembership or start the
>Emembership year for those people when the system is working?
>
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