Re: Emembership

[John Jones <jijones@usjoneses.com>]

I would like to be clear about the situation:

I am sorry for the confusion and problems we are having. They are my fault certainly not Tom's.

The problems are not with the e-service per-se but with the enrollment process. I thought that the enrollment process had been properly implemented in its test mode some time ago and did not properly vet the process prior to making the announcement.  I apologize. I had been concentration on getting the software pieces together to display the bulletins and BIC that I neglected to verify the enrollment process.

The issue is not as straight forward as some might like to think. It involves several different types of operating systems and security protocols. Architecturally, I understand it, but from a programming perspective it is beyond my skill level; which is why we are using Chris at Mallorn to do the implementation. Even for him there have been some significant challenges. We are woking on it, but we are only two. This process does not lend itself to collaborative development except in professional environments with lots of money.

I don't see in any of the motions implementing emembership a requirement for automatic renewal using PayPal. I will look into it after we get past the first implementation phase. Certainly a nice thing but hardly a show stopper. I would also want to know that the Membership Secretary would want that. There are record keeping things that he needs. We also don't do that for AIS paper memberships subscribed to through PayPal.

As to how fast the Daylily site responds. They are probably using an automatic system to generate IDs and passwords, require certain characteristics for passwords etc.. Then you have to have a system to regenerate passwords, confirm IDs send email to the address of record etc. Most big subscription sites have all that. All it takes is programmers, time, and money. It also takes some flexibility away from us like monitoring AIS membership for judges training requirements. Yeah we could probably figure out a way to get the information out of an automatic system but again - programming, time, and money.

I am not saying that we cannot or won't do that, but not now. If there is someone in our ranks that has the programming skills and is willing to donate their time I would love to move all our services onto one host. If you know of someone with that considerable skill set, please let me know.


Meanwhile, I have set up a temporary account ID: Temporary  Password: Irises  that anyone may use. To get to the emembers section go to the AIS website home page (http://www.irises.org) and click on the "Emembers" button on the right hand side just above our logo.

You will be able to access the online Bulletins and BIC. If you select Irisregister, you will be asked for the ID and PW again. That is just the way it is, at least for now. Don't bother commenting about it, we will get that eliminated when we can.

John


On Oct 16, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Robert Pries wrote:

> Tom; I am pleased this is being worked on. I would like to remind the group of some another parameter that were supposed to be functional and does not seem to be there. The one reason we made the Emembership for a year at a time was that PayPal offers an option to have the payment automatically renewed when it expires. Thus Three year memberships etc. are not necessary to have membership continue. It seems this choice was left off the PayPal. 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Gormley" <gormleygreenery@gmail.com>
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:41:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
> 
> Bob & All,
> You are correct that it should have happened within hours if not minutes.
> Unfortunately the news that it was ready to go was optimistic at best. There
> are still two or three components that need to be fixed before the
> emembership function is working. I am working with John Jones to get these
> resolved and apologize to those who believed what we said. I'm hopeful that
> these issues will be resolved this weekend.
> Tom Gormley
> 
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Robert Pries <robertpries@embarqmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> My payment cleared immediately and I got an acknowledgement from PayPal
>> that the amount had been paid immediately but it has been almost a week (I
>> signed up when John announced it) and no password or access. As a test I
>> joined the daylily Society. In seconds I recieved back a letter from their
>> president thanking me for joining and saying i could immediately access
>> their website. This is how this is supposed to work. Ironically before I
>> joined the Daylily society there was a warning that it might take a little
>> time for the membership to be approved so i did not expect it for at least a
>> couple of hours. But as I said within seconds I was perusing their members
>> site, another whole story. I had hopes we could bring the Iris Society up to
>> the standards expected in todays world but that does not seem possible.
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "cheryl deaton" <region15kids@hotmail.com>
>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 9:34:12 PM
>> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>> 
>> More than likely you will get the information from the AISMemSec once the
>> payment has cleared.
>> 
>> 
>>> From: irismom@nc.rr.com
>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:35:12 -0400
>>> 
>>> I signed up for E-membership on Wednesday; it's now Saturday. How do I
>> get
>>> the userID to access my E-membership?
>>> Susan Grigg
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org [mailto:
>> owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org]
>>> On Behalf Of John Jones
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:21 AM
>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>> Subject: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>> 
>>> Emembership is now available. Interested subscribers can join via the AIS
>>> PayPal page or directly with the AIS Membership
>>> Secretary. Emembership is separate from the conventional AIS membership.
>>> 
>>> We are working on making the current subscribers to irisregister.com
>>> emembers but still have a few snags to work through. Irisregister
>>> subscribers will continue to have full access to irisregister.com while
>> we
>>> fix this problem.
>>> 
>>> The news page on the AIS website says:
>>> 
>>> The AIS announces a new membership service - Electronic Membership.
>>> Emembership is separate from the normal AIS membership. Emembers do not
>>> receive printed copies of the AIS Bulletins. Instead, they have access to
>>> online AIS Bulletins using an easy to use viewer. Emembers also have
>> access
>>> to online viewing of The Basic Iris Culture booklet and automatic access
>> to
>>> irisregister.com, the online iris registration database. Addtitional
>>> services may be made available in the future. Click on Join Emembership
>> to
>>> become an Emember online. Current subscribers to irisregister.com will
>>> automatically be made AIS Emembers after we work through a few glitches.
>>> Emembers will need the Adobe Flash Player to view the online
>> publications.
>>> The Flash player is free and may be downloaded from
>>> http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
>>> 
>>> John
>>> _____________________________
>>> John Jones
>>> Director, American Iris Society
>>> Chair, Electronic Services Committee
>>> 
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