Re: Registration images - Amended motion

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Subject: Re: Registration images - Amended motion
From: "Janet Smith" <ypauls@sti.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:01:31 -0700
AIS Slides and Digital Programs Chair (me) thanks Dave and all the
other hybridizers who have willingly shared their introduction photos
each year  (since 2005) for the purpose of a CD Program which:

1. Gets the hybridizer's name out to all.
2. We get to see what new and exciting irises have been born.
3. It helps identify that we truly have what was named on the name
tag.
4. IT IS FREE MARKETING for all those hybridizers who do share their
lovely photos with AIS.

Janet Smith
Iris Resources - Slides

---- Original Message ----
From: capeiris@aol.com
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:55:19 -0400 (EDT)

>Dear Friends :
>
>   In the discussion about the use of slides, as a hybridizer, I
>would be glad
>for my things tio be seen. In some instances, they may nit be the
>best
>representation of them but at least it gets the name and the
>hybridizers name
>before the public and judges.
>
>   In the daffodil society, we have sent slides for se\veral years of
>our
>introductions. They do not limit it to one picture but there may be
>several
>including ones that others send. In one instance, my introduction of
>"Hot
>Pink" was shown twice and they looked different. I was asked which
>one was
>correct and I replied that they both were correct since it looks
>differently
>in different years and also different when grown in other places. The
>same has
>happened to my with irises and daylilies--I have seen thrm looking
>differently
>in different places which I think is a good thing to point out. So,
>for what
>ever that's worth, that's my opinion. Dave Niswonger
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert Pries <robertpries@embarqmail.com>
>To: aisdiscuss <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
>Sent: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:17 am
>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
>
>
>The motion as it stands with amendment does not require photos with
>egistration. If a hybridizer does not wish to send them that is their
>choice.
>he amendment that provides some legal protection may seem tough to
>some.
>henever there are unknowns people have fears. But the motion also
>provides for
> committee that can suggest policy around the submission. If
>warranted by
>xperience after it passes, use by AIS could be restricted to just the
>two
>esignated uses; Library Archives and Encyclopedia.
>But I would suggest that there really is nothing to fear here. Can
>anyone name
>n AIS use that would not be beneficial to the hybridizer? There is a
>challenge!
>aving an iris seen, creates demand, which helps gain votes on awards.
>I can
>not
>magine how an AIS use would be detrimental to a hybridizer. The
>motion does
>not
>et limits on numbers of photos and if quality is an issue the
>hybridizer could
>esignate someone elsebs photo taken later as being representative. I
>am sure
>he best photos available would always be the ones used. The goal of
>the motion
>s to document the Iris for history.
>I think it is important to look towards the future. If AIS collects
>photos
>that
>ave not gained copyright permission, than, they would have to sit in
>the
>ibrary Archives for 90 years, before they could be put to any use. Of
>course
>ou could always go back and try to get permission from the heirs of
>the
>ybridizer but that seems messy.
>We have made enormous progress at bringing the society into the 21st
>century.
>his motion would not bring us all the way to where the leading plant
>societies
>re. But it would be a small step forward.
>----- Original Message -----
>rom: "Janet Smith" <ypauls@sti.net>
>o: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>ent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:20:24 PM
>ubject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
>Thank you Cheryl, however might I have one of your good photos
>nstead of the lousy ones - giggle!
>Janet
>---- Original Message ----
>rom: region15kids@hotmail.com
>o: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>ubject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
>ate: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:55:45 -0700
>>Thank you Janet.  The photo copyright is an important issue for many
>of us,
>(not that I know much about it).  One of these days I might get the
>courage to
>send you one of my lousy pictures for the CD program!
>Cheryl
>
>> From: ypauls@sti.net
>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
>> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 17:25:12 -0700
>>
>> I have been accepting high resolution photos from hybriziders since
>> 2005 for all the Introduction CD Programs I do. AND every photo is
>> copyright protected for AIS and the hybridizer (who will alway
>> maintain the original rights to their photos.)
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> P.S. Not every hybridizer participates.
>>
>> ---- Original Message ----
>> From: region15kids@hotmail.com
>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
>> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:39:29 -0700
>>
>> >I never thought August first was the date for the final product.
>> >However,
>> >taking into account the import of the information we will need to
>> >implement
>> >the proposal, I feel that input from hybridizers and foreign iris
>> >societies is
>> >a PRIORITY for the first submission and their busiest time is from
>> >now until
>> >October. Other things to consider - the cost of an external hard
>> >drive
>> >capable of storing the proposed images, the possibility of burning
>> >dvds to
>> >store the pictures, camera requirements (I have a digital camera
>and
>> >I have NO
>> >idea how many dpi it has), which Janet could provide input since
>she
>> >has been
>> >in charge of the Photo Contest but I am sure that Bob Pries (with
>the
>> >wiki)
>> >and possibly Kelly and John Jones and Chris would have suggestions
>as
>> >well.
>> >Tracy might not have the time needed to accomplish some of the
>work
>> >involved,
>> >so we would need to look into that as well. And I for one am not
>> >willing to
>> >release my photos to AIS for ANYTHING THEY WANT TO USE IT FOR when
>I
>> >register
>> >an iris, so there are implications for that as well. If a
>hybridizer
>> >is
>> >unwilling to furnish a picture with that criteria, will we refuse
>the
>> >registration?
>> >I think August 1 is a good starting point for gathering
>information
>> >to work
>> >from NOT submitting a first set of guidelines. And your amended
>> >motion says
>> >that August first is the deadline for the first set of proposed
>> >guidelines.
>> >Cheryl
>> >
>> >> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:23:32 -0700
>> >> From: in2iris@yahoo.com
>> >> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
>> >> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> >>
>> >> The August 1 date is not the date for the final product and a
>vote
>> >to
>> >> implement a final product. It is for the first submission of a
>> >proposed set
>> >> of guidelines. After that set of guidelines is proposed, there
>will
>> >be more
>> >> work to be done, changes to be made, etc. Without some idea
>> >(proposed
>> >> guidelines) of what is to be accomplished, how are we to go
>about
>> >obtaining
>> >> opinions, ideas, input from sections, foreign iris societies,
>> >hypridizers,
>> >> etc.? We have to start somewhere. An initial set of proposed
>> >guidelines is
>> >> the starting point. If we wait until we get all the details
>worked
>> >out,
>> >wait
>> >> until everyone is consulted, wait until it is ready to be voted
>on,
>> >before
>> >we
>> >> ever put down in a first proposal of what, how, who, when .....
>it
>> >will
>> >never
>> >> be accomplished. There will be time for input from all parties
>> >before the
>> >> final product is ready for a vote.
>> >>
>> >> Gary White
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --- On Mon, 3/21/11, cheryl deaton <region15kids@hotmail.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: cheryl deaton <region15kids@hotmail.com>
>> >> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
>> >> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> >> Date: Monday, March 21, 2011, 10:58 AM
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I still think that August 1, 2011 is too early. Take into
>account
>> >that we
>> >> will need some input from foreign iris societies and
>hybridizers,
>> >not to
>> >> mention input from sections, and summer is right smack in the
>> >middle of
>> >> shipping season for major gardens. We should be able to get some
>> >input from
>> >> Australia/New Zealand since it is their fall season, but getting
>> >guidelines
>> >> into place by August first is not feasible. Gathering
>suggestions,
>> >ideas,
>> >> and
>> >> information etc. would be in the infant stages with that
>timeframe.
>> >Not
>> >ready
>> >> to propose suggested guidelines.
>> >> Cheryl
>> >>
>> >> > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 08:04:49 -0700
>> >> > From: in2iris@yahoo.com
>> >> > Subject: [AISdiscuss] Registration images - Amended motion
>> >> > To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> >> >
>> >> > I wish to amend my motion to:
>> >> >
>> >> > A) The AIS Registrar shall begin requesting volunteer image
>> >submission
>> >> > with registrations. Images shall be accepted by the Registrar,
>> >archived
>> >in
>> >> > the
>> >> > AIS Library, and displayed on the Iris Encyclopedia.
>Submission
>> >of images
>> >> to
>> >> > the AIS constitutes permission for any and all AIS uses.
>> >> >
>> >> > B) The AIS President shall appoint a registration committee to
>> >facilitate
>> >> > implementation of registration image collection, archiving,
>and
>> >> disposition.
>> >> > This committee shall propose suggested guidelines for
>> >registration images
>> >> by
>> >> > August 1, 2011.
>> >> >
>> >> > Gary White
>> >> >
>> >> >
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