Re: Re: Registration Images; Putative motion

["Janet Smith" <ypauls@sti.net>]

Don't reinvent a wheel already in place!
There might be a committee or two that have
guidelines.  Have hybridizer waivers for photos.

My 1/2 cent worth

Janet Smith
I don't own a dog or cat!
Will trade a 600 lb black bear for one - giggle!

---- Original Message ----
From: ddbro@sbcglobal.net
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Re: Registration Images; Putative motion
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:55:45 -0700 (PDT)

>I don't think anyone is advocating for doing nothing.  I do think
>several are
>advocating for NOT jumping in to the middle of it.  Form the
>committee and
>make 
>sure that there is representation from all sides of the issue, not
>just
>one 
>person pushing an agenda through.  Address the issues and make this
>transition a 
>pleasant, productive one.  
>
>
>No-one wants to  "do nothing at
>all", instead we are making a decision to do 
>something correctly, vast
>difference. 
>
>
>Dana Brown
>ddbro@sbcglobal.net
>Malevil Iris Gardens & Kennels
>www.malevil-iris.com
>
> I own a dog and I vote!!
>________________________________
>From: Robert Pries
><robertpries@embarqmail.com>
>To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>Sent: Wed, March 16,
>2011 1:45:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Re: Registration Images; Putative
>motion
>
>I agree that this should all be thought through. But the history with
>AIS board 
>is that Thinking through means delaying forever. I have not
>proposed 
>requirements. I have proposed a committee to work through the
>problems. The 
>point is that what I have propsed is a method of getting us
>started instead of 
>waiting another year or more sitting on our hands and
>letting the world pass by. 
>The AIS has been dying a slow death for the last
>almost twenty years becaues we 
>are so "nimble" in what we do. The Spuria
>Society has createdf their own 
>database; the Louisiana Society requested we
>reqiure pictures with their 
>registrations three years ago and heard nothing,
>so they created their own. What 
>does it take to make this organization
>Function? Yes, everything has errors. As 
>we put up information on the wiki we
>have found errors in the written Iris 
>register. The remarkable thing about a
>digital database is that it can easily be 
>corrected and is. There will always
>be errors and I suppose i!
>f you do nothing you can not be acused of an error
>but is not that the worst 
>error of all?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From:
>"Dana Brown" <ddbro@sbcglobal.net>
>To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>Sent:
>Wednesday, March 16, 2011 2:30:07 PM
>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Re:
>Registration Images; Putative motion
>
>I can tell you that there are errors in
>the ASI checklist.  Nothing personal
>against anyone who has furnished the
>information or compiled it, as it has
>been 
>a huge labor of love, but I have
>been told by a couple of hybridizers
>that the 
>pictures listed with their
>registration information are not of their
>cultivar.  
>I have heard similar
>comments about the wiki.  This is a huge
>concern to me as I 
>feel that
>anything that has the AIS seal of approval on it
>ought to be correct.
>
>How do
>you find someone to "proof" all these photos,
>especially those that do 
>not
>come from the hybridizer?  As we go back and try
>to fill in the blanks it is
>all too easy to make a mistake.  Who is the final
>arbiter of whether or not
>the 
>picture is correct?  In my opinion, someone(s)
>should be approving those
>pictures before they are published.  However, I do
>not know of any one person
>who has seen every iris cultivar and can vouch
>that a given picture is
>correct.  What do we do about hybridizers who are not
>photographers?  Some
>people can't take a decent picture no matter what and I
>for one would rather
>have no picture of my registration than a bad one.  
>
>
>I
>honestly feel that we
>need to think this through before we start making
>rules.  As a for instance,
>New York recently passed a law.  The law was
>intended 
>to make it illegal to
>tether, chain, or tie out your dog on a slip
>collar.  A 
>very good idea, one
>long overdue.  However, in their rush to pass
>the law, they 
>actually worded
>the law so that it is now illegal to have a
>slip collar on your 
>dog at all,
>and slip collars are used by most trainers,
>the police department, 
>search and
>rescue animals, and in fact the picture of
>the dog they used as part 
>of their
>ad, had one on.  The point is, the best of
>intentions can go awry and 
>maybe
>we need to appoint a committee to look into
>this project and come up with
>some intelligent guide lines.  A committee
>formed of people with more than one
>perspective on this subject.  They can
>present their recommendations to the
>Board and then we can institute the
>policies.
>
>Just my 2 cents worth.
>
>Dana
>Dana Brown
>ddbro@sbcglobal.net
>Malevil Iris Gardens & Kennels
>www.malevil-iris.com
>
>I own a dog and I vote!!
>________________________________
>From: cheryl deaton
><region15kids@hotmail.com>
>To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>Sent: Wed, March 16,
>2011 10:22:51 AM
>Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Re: Registration Images; Putative
>motion
>
>... At this time, do other Iris societies have photo
>requirements or
>other ways to ensure accuracy of iris
>registrations/descriptions? What do they
>do? We really need to do some
>research into this.
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