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Even during tight economic times, it is important to have
a few "luxury" items. Break-even analysis should not be the only criteria for
deciding the merits of a project. Personally, I do not want any binders--however
I think it is a great idea. People who really want them will be somewhat
price-insensitive. For those who are on the fence, price will be a big issue. I
suspect that people who are in this group are a little less
price-sensitive than the broader market.
A few years ago, my little town had financial problems. A
lot of the infrastructure needed repair and we were facing huge challenges. Some
citizens were a little demoralized. The Town sent the clerk to a convention
where one of the vendors had a drawing for street banners. The clerk won the
drawing, but it still was obvious that there would still not be enough banners
to make a positive impact. The Town threw in some more money that naysayers felt
should have been spent on sidewalk repair and the Town had a banner program. It
was incredibly well received. The banners stimulated interest and increased
civic pride. It was part of an "umph" that the Town really needed.
We have a new format for the Bulletin. It is time to
totally support it. The binder really makes sense. The motion should
pass.
I have been known to put my money where my mouth is. I'm
not on the board and I don't have a vote. Once again, I don't want ANY binders.
However, if this organization cannot see that it is a good idea to support
positive changes such as the new Bulletin format, then I can. I will LOAN the
money to invest in the binders to the AIS at no interest to be paid back when
the binders are sold--that is if the Board would agree to it.
(I would donate the money, however I'm in a business
venture with 15 employees that needs some capital investment. It's
more important to me that I keep them employed than it is to see the AIS get on
solid footing)
Dennis Hager
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:25
PM
Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Motion
regarding purchase of Magazine Binders
Hi all,
I also agree with Paul and Cheryl. If
this motion is passed and the binders are ordered, I'm afraid that we will
have way too many sitting in the storefront for awhile until the demand
meets the number ordered. In the meanwhile, the money spent
on ordering the binders, could have been spent on other important
AIS business. (Remember, that the librarian stills needs a scanner, and
we also need to order the 2010 10 year checklist shortly). Also
remember that we begged the Regions, Affiliates, and others for donations
to help the AIS because we had a $14,000 shortfall.
By ordering the binders at this time we show that we have money for "luxury"
items such as the binders. I really don't think that is the message we
want to be sending out to the AIS membership, in this current economy
and this AIS budget money crunch this year. In my opinion this
motion should be voted down and revisited next year when we have a more higher
interest and a higher number of confirmed orders from the affiliates.
Susan
Boyce
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> Date: Sun, 28 Mar
2010 20:53:24 -0600
> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Motion regarding
purchase of Magazine Binders
> From: pwgossett@juno.com
>
>
> I tend to agree with Cheryl. We need to poll the affiliates before
we
> purchase a number of binders that we will not be able to
sell.
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:40:18 -0700 cheryl
deaton
> <region15kids@hotmail.com> writes:
> >
>
> From what I have read we have a committment for approximately 70
>
> binders which is not even close to breaking even. I seriously doubt
> > that we would sell the 40+ at the convention, since most of our
> > sales are to AIS Board and Committee Chairs, so spending this
money
> > prematurely seems like a very risky position. Add to that
the cost
> > of mailing the unsold batch from Madison to Oregon
would add to the
> > cost. Let's just get smart and revisit this
option after doing a
> > thorough survey of the affiliates. At that
time we would have a
> > better idea of the numbers that would sell
so that we could take
> > advantage of a larger order, if
warrented.
> >
> > Cheryl
> >
> > >
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:31:42 -0400
> > > From:
robertpries@embarqmail.com
> > > To:
aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> > > Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Motion
regarding purchase of Magazine
> > Binders
> > >
> > > I agree with John that if we decide to do this then we
could have
> > a partial shipment to Madison. Also Rita has agreed
to pick up those
> > that are not sold. I do not know whether I
mentioned it before but
> > they ship boxed binders in larger boxes
of 18 and unboxed binders in
> > bozes of 36. a Box of unboxed
binders might be best to ship to the
> > convention. So far I
believe I counted at least 47 binders that
> > would be ordered from
people on this list. If the affiliates were
> > offered this option
from the affiliates e-list I would expect taking
> > pre orders
until the end of April would allow the crtical number to
> > be
presold that would make this a cost free venture for AIS. If we
> >
have inventory left it would be cost free and could sell later at a
>
> profit.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message
-----
> > > From: "kay ludi" <kludi@juno.com>
> >
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 27,
2010 12:06:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
> > Eastern
> > >
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Motion regarding purchase of Magazine
> >
Binders
> > >
> > > Hi again,
> > > We
are back home. We need to include a price for
> >
international/overseas
> > > orders.
> > > The
following are taken from the USPS International mailing price
> >
list
> > > (First Class Postage) for a 32 oz package.
> >
> New Zealand $16.99
> > > Netherlands, Great Briton,
Australia, France, Italy $17.64
> > > Canada $8.93 (AIS Region 16
but at the Post Office-an
> > > international country for
postage).
> > >
> > > What is the total number for
commitments for purchase at this
> > time? Of
> > > the
total number, how many would want delivery at Madison. Looking
> >
at
> > > logistics, I would encourage a partial shipment to
Madison and the
> > bulk
> > > to Oregon. Since the
Ludi's are flying this time, all AIS
> > Storefront
> >
> items will be shipped to Madison; any not sold items will be
>
> shipped back
> > > to Oregon.
> > > John &
Kay Ludi
> > > AIS Storefront
> > >
> > >
On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:20:39 -0700 "William Plotner"
> > >
<gardens@molalla.net> writes:
> > > > Postage on a
package from 1 to 2 pounds is as follows:
> > > >
> >
> > Parcel Post $4.90 to $8.09 depending on the zone.
> > >
> Priority Mail $5.00 to $9.55 depending on the zone
> > > >
> > > > Will
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >
From: "Robert Pries" <robertpries@embarqmail.com>
> > > >
To: <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
> > > > Sent: Thursday,
March 18, 2010 10:59 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss]
Motion regarding purchase of Magazine
> > > > Binders
>
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >I have a
call in to the binder company but the sales person is
> > out
> > > > at the
> > > > >moment. The
receptionist gave me this information. Binders
> > shipped
>
> > > in bulk
> > > > >are in boxes of 36 and that
box weighes 38 pounds. Binders
> > shipped
> > > >
> > > > >prepackaged are shipped in boxes of 16 and that
box weighes 25
> > > > pounds. I
> > > >
>would assume that a box of one unit would weigh approximately
>
> 1.5
> > > > pounds.
> > > > >Will
Plotner or John Ludi could probably give us an idea of
> > what
> > > > postage
> > > > >might average on
such a unit box. Remember it would be somewhat
> >
> >
> > over 8 and
> > > > >a half by eleven.
>
> > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message
-----
> > > > > From: "Jill Bonino"
<aistreas@earthlink.net>
> > > > > To:
aisdiscuss@aisboard.org, aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> > > > >
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 1:45:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
> >
> > > > Eastern
> > > > > Subject: Re:
[AISdiscuss] Motion regarding purchase of
> > Magazine
> >
> > Binders
> > > > >
> > > > > If
we do this, I agree we should have them in Madison for
> > people
> > > > to take
> > > > > home
themselves.
> > > > >
> > > > > At $7.05
per binder cost (this includes the $.85 each for the
> > > >
shipping box
> > > > > and the $150 set up), we could give
people at the Convention a
> >
> > > > Special
> > > > > Price of say $9.00. This should cover shipping
cost to Madison
> >
> > > > for say
> >
> > > 100 of them?? And then the regular price shipped from the
> > > > Storefront could
> > > > > be $10.
That gives us $2.95 excess to cover shipping expenses
> > on
> > > > each
> > > > > one. We will not
make a lot of money on these, but I think it
> > is
> >
> > a
> > > > > goodwill gesture since we chose to
change the Bulletin size.
> > Total
> > > >
>
> > > > upfront cost would be in the neighborhood of $1400-$1500
for
> > the
> > > > initial
> > > >
> 200 order.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob,
if these are popular, and I believe they will, could we
> > get a
> > > > better
> > > > > discount on say
500 of them when we order the second
> > shipment??
> >
> > >
> > > > > Perhaps when we order the 200 we
could have half delivered to
> > the
> > > > Maidson
> > > > > Hotel and the other half sent to the Storefront?
Could Madison
> >
> > > > handle
> > >
> > storing them until May?
> > > > >
> >
> > > Jill
> > > > >
> > > > >
-----Original Message-----
> > > > >>From: kay ludi
<kludi@juno.com>
> > > > >>Sent: Mar 18, 2010 10:04
AM
> > > > >>To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> >
> > >>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Motion regarding purchase of
> > Magazine
> > > > Binders
> > > >
>>
> > > > >>Other factors to consider for pricing
the binder. What is it
> > going
> > > > to
>
> > > >>cost to mail/ship a binder to the customer? (At this
time
> > without
> > > > knowing
> > >
> >>the size or weight we would hazard to guess. It would not
be
> > > > >>classified/shipped as Media Mail (Book
rate). What are the
> > > > shipping
> > > >
>>charges to Madison or the AIS Storefront? We do not think we
>
> > > should ship
> > > > >>200 to Madison and
turn around and have to pay for shipping
> > back
> > >
> to the
> > > > >>AIS Storefront. We are talking
about a bulky item for
> > shipping. If
> > > >
the
> > > > >>Board decides to purchase the binder, we
highly recommend that
> > we
> > > > also
>
> > > >>purchase the box for shipping. That is going to be a
cost
> > whether
> > > > we
> > > >
>>purchase the box with the binder or if we at the AIS
> >
Storefront
> > > > have to
> > > >
>>purchase a box from another source.
> > > > >>
According to our figures, 200 binders w/boxes plus the dye
> >
cost,
> > > > >>purchase price is $7.05 per binder. To
this we need to add all
> >
> > > > the
> >
> > >>shipping/mailing cost.
> > > > >>John
& Kay Ludi
> > > > >>AIS Storefront
> > >
> >>
> > > > >>On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:19:35
-0700 "William Plotner"
> > > >
>><gardens@molalla.net> writes:
> > > >
>>> Just as a note....Most of these binders sell for from $12.00
> > to
> > > > >>> $15.00 each
> >
> > >>> and the cost should be covered fairly quickly (with the
> > first
> > > > 120
> > > >
>>> sold)
> > > > >>> after that there would
be profit (aprox $1000.00 on the
> > first
> > > >
200)
> > > > >>> and more
> > > >
>>> profit after that as the dyes will only be charged the first
> >
> > > > time.
> > > >
>>>
> > > > >>> Will
> > > >
>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >>>
From: "Robert Pries" <robertpries@embarqmail.com>
> > > >
>>> To: <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
> > > >
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:03 AM
> > > >
>>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Motion regarding purchase of
>
> Magazine
> > > > >>> Binders
> > >
> >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
>>> >
> > > > >>> > Magazine
Binders
> > > > >>> >
> > > >
>>> > I surfed the internet for magazine binders and all the
> > > > publishers
> > > > >>> I
found
> > > > >>> > offering these get them from
the same source and are very
> > > > >>> satisfied
with
> > > > >>> > that company. That firm, Rogers
Looseleaf provided me with
> > a
> > > > bid
>
> > > >>> for 200
> > > > >>> >
binders. They would be dark blue with gold printing
> > saying:
> > > > The
> > > > >>>
American
> > > > >>> > Iris Society, Quarterly
Bulletin and the insignia of AIS
> > > > printed
> >
> > >>> on the
> > > > >>> > spine.
There would be a one time charge of $150 for
> > creating
>
> > > the
> > > > >>> dye. Each
> >
> > >>> > unit cost would be $5.45. If we desire cardboard
shipping
> > > > boxes
> > > > >>>
> individually packed they are an additional $0.85 each
> > >
> >>> >
> > > > >>> > It is true
that we have a budget crunch. But we have also
> > put
> >
> > into
> > > > >>> place
> > >
> >>> > measures to compensate. We will only increase
membership
> > by
> > > > >>> providing
the
> > > > >>> > services expected of a 21st
century organization. Efforts
> > are
> > > >
>>> being made
> > > > >>> > to get us
there. It is true this is a minor issue. But
> > then
> >
> > again
> > > > >>> if we
> > >
> >>> > can not offer services like this for fear of loosing
money
> >
> > > > than
> > > >
>>> what
> > > > >>> > products can we
sell that can bring in money? I believe
> > this
> > >
> is a
> > > > >>> modest
> > > >
>>> > investment in inventory and could potential make a few
> > bucks.
> > > > >>> >
> >
> > >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> >>> > From: "Terry Aitken"
<terry@flowerfantasy.net>
> > > > >>> > To:
aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> > > > >>> > Sent:
Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:34:29 PM GMT -05:00
> > > >
US/Canada
> > > > >>> Eastern
> > > >
>>> > Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Motion regarding purchase of
> > > > Magazine
> > > > >>>
Binders
> > > > >>> >
> > > >
>>> > Ok, would somebody stick a dollar sign on these
things?
> > > > >>> > Are there options?
>
> > > >>> > I'm sure that quantity plays a role.
>
> > > >>> > Yes, we have to charge enough to get us out
of trouble
> > > > quickly.
> > > >
>>> > Terry
> > > > >>> >
> >
> > >>> > -----Original Message-----
> > > >
>>> > From: owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> > > >
>>> [mailto:owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org]
> > > >
>>> > On Behalf Of Michelle Snyder
> > > >
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 4:03 PM
> > >
> >>> > To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> > > >
>>> > Subject: [AISdiscuss] Motion regarding purchase of
>
> Magazine
> > > > >>> Binders
> > >
> >>> >
> > > > >>> > Bob Pries
moved and Rita Gormley seconded the below
> > motion.
> >
> > As
> > > > >>> such, it
> > >
> >>> > is now open for discussion.
> > > >
>>> >
> > > > >>> > "That AIS offer
Magazine binders for the bulletin."
> > > > >>>
>
> > > > >>> > Michelle Snyder
> >
> > >>> > AIS Secretary
> > > > >>>
>
> > > > >>> >
> > > >
>>>
> > > >
> >
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