RE: Motion regarding purchase of Magazine Binders

Cheryl wrote: We need to look into more than one option for storing the bulletin; There are already many options availble to people at Office Supply stores. As was mentioned earlier there are slip cases and three ring binders. These a can all be individually personalized by the person buying them. They do not make sense to sell through AIS because they would cost a great deal more for AIS to mail than what could be purchased locally. I have used all of these methids in the past. But the reason I suggested the binders is they look very classy on my bookshelf whereas to my mind the others look sort of makeshift. Since members can already do the other possibilities on their own it seemed reasonable to offer something first class for those of us who care enough about the AIS to want to save its history. I realize that is probably a very small minority. For that group they would probably want at least two as has been indicated to me by several people. That means it would only take 60 people out of our 4,000 members who have that level of interest to break even. I already have orders for 20 binders. I would not expect most affiliates to have even one person who is that interested in AIS to want to save and store the bulletin in this way. But even if there was only one person in one fourth of our affiliates than there would be enough.

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From: "cheryl deaton" <region15kids@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:13:05 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Motion regarding purchase of Magazine Binders

I was not trying to burst anyone's bubble regarding the binders, but in this time of fiscal responsibility I do question spending money on something that I feel only a few would appreciate and purchase. It isn't as if we cannot go forward at a later date and reconsider this purchase when we might have better information about it. Since we just started with the new format, many members may not even think about storage until they have a year's worth or more of the Bulletin. As a member of the Median Iris Society I have received The Medianite for years and even though it is already has holes punched for ease of placing in a binder, I usually keep very few issues and give the others away to encourage growing medians. Just because another plant society does something doesn't mean we need to do the same. Why don't we take some time and look into more than one option for storing our Bulletins?
Cheryl

Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:01:27 -0400
From: robertpries@embarqmail.com
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Motion regarding purchase of Magazine Binders

It is very easy to take a bulletin to an office store and get them drilled with holes and purchase a three ring binder and to then make your own cover I do this with other AIS section publications and see no reason why we should offer something that is easily done. On the other hand you can not go to a office store and get a printed magazine binder if you wanted to. That has to be contracted for. The point is not to reduce options but to create more options. No one is insisting that those that do not want to spend the money do so. But the logic of not offering something because some, even most people would not want it seems sad. It only would take the sale of 114 binders at the $12 price to break even. There are many members that would probably order two. So if the majority who do not want it, would wish to keep the minority (which could be as low as 60 people with no cost to AIS) from having it, than I think that would be sad. Just because one person does not like yellow irises that does not mean the rest of us should stop growing them. This is why I suggested a pre-printing off to see if we could get the 114 sales need to make this a no cost to AIS venture. It does not take away other people options to treat the magazine however they wish. Those that just throw it away should not care what the rest of us do with it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "K Brewitt" <just1moreiris@gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:16:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Motion regarding purchase of Magazine Binders

For the record, they were the wire-type binders.
However, having read Cheryl Deaton's note, I will mention that one of our members was rather incensed to think that after the AIS changed the format of its Bulletin it would ask its members spend more money to buy binders to store them. He suggested the Bulletin come with 3-holes for storing in a binder like The Medianite. This way members who choose to save their bulletins can recycle old binders or buy cheap ones from the dollar-store. And I thought he made a good point when he asked, how many actually save their bulletins in this throw away world?

I wonder how many others feel like this member and how many feel like Cheryl's members i.e. they won't buy?
What if RVPs or Affiliate Presidents were asked to poll their members to see if there is a market?
Kate

On 21 March 2010 18:24, Robert Pries <robertpries@embarqmail.com> wrote:

It sounds like the binders you had before were three hole types with holes punched in the magazines? My experience with the wire type is that once the binder is full it performs very much like a bound book. Slip cases are another way of doing something but generally one can get these generically at places like Office Depot. I have used those also, but they are not as elegant looking on a book shelf and since they are available on their own people could always find them and buy them. The slipcase is probably not as durable as these binders.

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From: "K Brewitt" <just1moreiris@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 5:02:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Motion regarding purchase of Magazine Binders

Has any other binder-type item been investigated? A gardening magazine I subscribe to offers a slipcase that holds one year (or 7 editions)...think of a box that holds a set of books or videos. A slipcase makes for a sturdier holder. The magazine in question used to sell binders, which I used to purchase, however after 4 I decided they didn't sit steadily on a bookself i.e. the binder kept opening as there was nothing to keep the front and back covers securely in place. Also, with the open top, the magazines get dusty and the uneven surface is a challenge to dust. A slipcase would have a flat surface and protect the bulletins from dust.
Just throwing in my 2 cents of experience,

Kate Brewitt

AIS Region 16 RVP

On 18 March 2010 19:44, Janet Smith <ypauls@sti.net> wrote:

Depending on the price - I may purchase 2 or I might purchase 5.
If they are $20 each ---- 2 if they are $12-15 each 5.
Since I am not going to Madison, guess I would be paying postage from
Storefront.

Janet

P.S. I would be using them for other mags I have.

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Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Motion regarding purchase of Magazine
Binders

Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:19:35 -0700

>Just as a note....Most of these binders sell for from $12.00 to
>$15.00 each

>and the cost should be covered fairly quickly (with the first 120
>sold)
>after that there would be profit (aprox $1000.00 on the first 200)
>and more
>profit after that as the dyes will only be charged the first time.
>
>Will
>
>
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>From: "Robert Pries" <robertpries@embarqmail.com>

>To: <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
>Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:03 AM
>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Motion regarding purchase of Magazine
>Binders
>
>
>>

>> Magazine Binders
>>
>> I surfed the internet for magazine binders and all the publishers I
>found
>> offering these get them from the same source and are very satisfied
>with
>> that company. That firm, Rogers Looseleaf provided me with a bid
>for 200
>> binders. They would be dark blue with gold printing saying: The
>American
>> Iris Society, Quarterly Bulletin and the insignia of AIS printed on
>the
>> spine. There would be a one time charge of $150 for creating the
>dye. Each
>> unit cost would be $5.45. If we desire cardboard shipping boxes
>> individually packed they are an additional $0.85 each
>>
>> It is true that we have a budget crunch. But we have also put into
>place
>> measures to compensate. We will only increase membership by
>providing the
>> services expected of a 21st century organization. Efforts are being
>made
>> to get us there. It is true this is a minor issue. But then again
>if we
>> can not offer services like this for fear of loosing money than
>what
>> products can we sell that can bring in money? I believe this is a
>modest
>> investment in inventory and could potential make a few bucks.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Terry Aitken" <terry@flowerfantasy.net>
>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:34:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
>Eastern
>> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Motion regarding purchase of Magazine
>Binders
>>
>> Ok, would somebody stick a dollar sign on these things?
>> Are there options?
>> I'm sure that quantity plays a role.
>> Yes, we have to charge enough to get us out of trouble quickly.
>> Terry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>[mailto:owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org]
>> On Behalf Of Michelle Snyder
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 4:03 PM
>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> Subject: [AISdiscuss] Motion regarding purchase of Magazine Binders
>>
>> Bob Pries moved and Rita Gormley seconded the below motion. As
>such, it
>> is now open for discussion.
>>
>> "That AIS offer Magazine binders for the bulletin."
>>
>> Michelle Snyder
>> AIS Secretary
>>
>>
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