Re: Bulletin Damage

["Robert Pries " <robertpries@embarqmail.com>]

I second Debbie's Motion to shrink wrap the bulletin.

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From: "Debra Strauss" <debrastrauss@outlook.com>
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 1:00:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Bulletin Damage

Ok guess that second doesn't work then. I guess I should tell you I think there may be more people getting torn bulletins than we ever know about. I have until recently, received three to my address. And each mailing one was messed up or torn. I didn't worry too much or say anything because I had two more. Now I should only be receiving one. I would like it whole. 

So I would like to move that we "plastic wrap" the AIS bulletin "Irises" for mailing. 

Debbie
debrastrauss@outlook.com
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On Jun 5, 2013, at 11:52 AM, "Michelle Snyder" <AISSecretary@irises.org> wrote:

> Terry,
> 
> I am sorry but the only past president that can make a motion is the immediate past president.  Other than that, only existing board members can make a motion.
> 
> Michelle
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/5/2013 8:36 AM, Terry Aitken wrote:
>> We receive about one damaged bulletin per year. Ripped cover - usually the
>> back.
>> This is strange because we get mail order catalogs almost daily with no
>> damage.
>> The main difference seems to be the heavier stock paper used on the AIS
>> Bulletin cover. This is counter intuitive?????
>> My problem, as editor, was to find competitive bidders for the shrink wrap.
>> Sounds like Kelly has somebody that is reasonable.
>> With shrink wrap, it could be that we could use lighter cover stock which
>> would affect paper cost plus less shipping weight.
>> So the question is- is it worth 10 cent per bulletin to get an intact copy?
>> I make a motion to go for shrink wrap.
>> Terry Aitken,
>> Tired turkey
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org [mailto:owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org]
>> On Behalf Of Harold Griffie
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 7:54 AM
>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Bulletin Damage
>> 
>> I am in agreement with Kelly. I have received damaged copies in the past and
>> never complained to anyone  in AIS. I have not recently received a damaged
>> copy, but I know how frustrating it can be. We owe our members a quality
>> product and I don't see any improvement in the Postal Service handling of
>> the Bulletin. I think we have to go to a shrink-wrapped product. I don't
>> like spending extra money, but it is necessary in this case.
>>  Hal Griffie
>> ________________________________
>>  From: John Jones <jijones@usjoneses.com>
>> To:
>> aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 12:44 AM
>> Subject: Re:
>> [AISdiscuss] Bulletin Damage
>>   
>> For a cost that appears to be less that $2000
>> per year, we should go back to polybagging the bulletin ( for non-foreign
>> members)
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> John
>> __________________
>> John and Joanne Jones
>> Registrar-Recorders, American Iris Society
>> aisregistrar@irises.org
>> 
>> John
>> Jones, Chairman, Electronic Services Committee
>> aiselectronicsvcs@irises.org
>> 35572 Linda Drive
>> Fremont, CA 94536
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 3, 2013, at 7:34 PM, Kelly D.
>> Norris wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree entirely with what Anner writes below.  The solutions
>> offered,
>>> however well-intended, don't scale with the process of producing
>> ~3,500
>>> copies of a magazine on a digital, short-run press.  Rest assured
>> that at
>>> least from the several members I've heard from (and I've heard ears
>> full),
>>> they've contacted the USPS, attempted to come at some local solution
>> without
>>> avail.  Bless the postal system, but it isn't perfect or entirely
>> known for
>>> excellent customer service.
>>> 
>>> Which brings me to a refrain in
>> support of what Anner writes below (and a
>>> belief I've long held)....the
>> issue of delivering a quality, quarterly
>>> magazine is integral to our
>> membership pitch.  Without an intact, readable
>>> product which most members
>> view as their primary investment in AIS, we don't
>>> have much of a chance at
>> cultivating loyalty and rapport with the many
>>> thousands of people that most
>> of us will never meet.
>>> As for the request for data, here it is
>> (unchanged since the last time I
>>> quoted it prior to the fall 2012 board
>> meeting):
>>> Polybagging (domestic only, since internationals are already in
>> envelopes):
>>> $470.10/issue (~$0.15/copy or 6% of total cost/issue)
>> Envelopes:  $713.04/issue (~$0.23/copy)
>>> Note that polybagging is cheaper
>> than envelopes and offers the obvious
>>> benefit of getting to see the cover in
>> the mail instead of having it
>>> disguised in brown wrapping.  Bear in mind
>> this key point--our recent
>>> conversion to digital proofing (after working
>> very carefully with the press
>>> representative over the years to finesse color
>> accuracy) offers a potential
>>> source of savings.  EPSON proofing has been a
>> ~$480 expense per issue, a
>>> holdover tradition from our previous vendor where
>> essentially every page (in
>>> 4-part press forms) is checked by the editor's
>> own eyes.  This was something
>>> Terry took very seriously and something I felt
>> similarly about.  I opted to
>>> maintain that ala carte service as part of our
>> contract with Sundance from
>>> the beginning to ensure a color-accurate product
>> for our membership.  Recent
>>> advances in Sundance's proofing services and my
>> access to fully calibrated
>>> monitors have allowed us to transition to full
>> digital proofing with the
>>> April/May issue (we beta-tested it in
>> January/February).
>>> I rue the day I ever offered as an option the
>> removal of the polybag when we
>>> transitioned to Sundance Press.  I had no
>> idea it would have such a blinding
>>> effect on delivering a truly satisfying
>> customer experience for members we
>>> already can't seem to keep in good
>> supply.
>>> --kdn
>>> 
>>> Horticulturally,
>>> 
>>> Kelly D. Norris
>>> Horticulture
>> Manager, Greater Des Moines Botanical Garden
>>> (www.dmbotanicalgarden.com)
>> Unabashedly passionate plantsman (www.kellydnorris.com)
>>> -----Original
>> Message-----
>>> From: owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> [mailto:owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org]
>>> On Behalf Of John Jones
>>> Sent:
>> Monday, June 03, 2013 8:40 PM
>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>> Subject:
>> [AISdiscuss] Bulletin Damage
>>> Anner Whitehead sends:
>>> 
>>> Greetings.
>> In response to Mr. Killingsworth's request for information concerning those
>> members who received battered copies of Irises, please know that I used to
>> be one.
>>> I received copies damaged to a greater or lesser degree from the
>> time the
>>> wrap was removed -- without exception-- until I abandoned the print
>> journal
>>> altogether, and renewed only as an AIS electronic member. I would
>> probably
>>> have held two memberships had this not been so egregious a problem,
>> but,
>>> while patient supportive of the traditional printed word, I have my
>> limits.
>>> Know, too, that this household subscribes to several magazines,
>> some of
>>> similar dimensions to Irises, and with slick covers, and none
>> consistently
>>> arrives battered.
>>> 
>>> It seems to me that if the Sections can
>> somehow manage to send their
>>> journals with adequate protection, then so can
>> the AIS.
>>> In fact, I think that if you continue to solicit monetary dues
>> on the
>>> promise that the member shall receive this organ, you have a duty to
>> make a
>>> reasonable effort to get it to the membership in "merchantable"
>> condition.
>>> I think some of the ideas proposed here for addressing the
>> problem are
>>> farcically over-elaborated and unlikely to effect amelioration
>> of the
>>> situation in our lifetimes.
>>> 
>>> Incidentally, I'm enjoying my
>> electronic membership. Read a fine article
>>> about CedricSir  Morris the other
>> day over breakfast. I'd wanted to read it
>>> for years. That Cedric, he was a
>> real humdinger! Thanks for the Bulletin
>>> files!
>>> 
>>> Cordially,
>>> 
>>> Anner M.
>> Whitehead
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