Re: [AISdiscuss] AIS PayPal Webpage

[Robt R Pries <rpries@sbcglobal.net>]

Just to be clear, just because John used part of my
initial message as a preface does not mean that the
quotes he puts into his comments are mine. I would not
have made those suggestions. linking Paypals seems to
me an extroadinarily complicated and unecessary step
that I see no need for. In that John and I are in
total agreement.

--- John I Jones <jijones@usjoneses.com> wrote:

> On Jun 8, 2006, at 7:12 AM, Robt R Pries wrote:
> 
> > John is correct in that every section and
> cooperating
> > society that I talked to at convention wishes to
> > participate just as they have participated in the
> past
> > in having their members able to join at the same
> time
> > as they are joining or renewing with AIS. That
> does
> > not mean that they are not considering setting up
> > their own PayPal accounts also. I talked with
> > representatives of SIGNA, The Dwarf Iris Society,
> The
> > Aril Society, the Siberian Society and all
> expected
> > they would also do their own. All have to yet
> discuss
> > this with their boards. Of course the Japanese
> Society
> > already has this. The DIS does not even have their
> > website running again but some officers expressed
> the
> > hope that they would have Paypal when that
> occurred.
> 
> I agree, many societies are thinking about having
> their own sites. That 
> would not mean that they would not want to be part
> of the AIS PP page.
> 
> In anticipation of the question " Why doesn't AIS
> just link to the 
> individual societies' PP page?" I offer the
> following:
> 
> I have been thinking about this problem and
> unfortunately I do not 
> think that is a viable solution. The issue is that
> if there is a link 
> on the AIS PP page to another society PP page it
> could take the user 
> out of our context without completing a transaction.
> Suppose:
> 
> User signs up for AIS PP subscription and elects to
> "continue shopping"
> User signs up for some Section PP subscription
> adding that subscription 
> to their cart and elects to "continue shopping"
> User decides they want to subscribe to <a society
> that has their own PP 
> page>, clicks on the link and is taken to SJI  PP
> page. They complete 
> the <other society> transaction and are returned to
> the <other society> 
> confirmation page.
> 
> They never get to complete the transactions they
> have selected from the 
> AIS PP page because they are not automatically taken
> back there. It 
> might be possible (I am not sure) that when they are
> transferred to 
> <other society> PP page that a new page would be
> opened, but at a 
> minimum that would mean that the subscriber would
> have to complete two 
> transactions.
> 
> If an <other society>  doesn't want to have PP
> subscriptions on the AIS 
> page, that is ok. We intend to maintain the
> membership page as it is 
> today because some people will still want to pay by
> check and we can 
> direct individuals to the <other society>  main page
> from there.
> 
> The disadvantage(s) that an <other society> would
> have in having a 
> subscriber use the AIS PP page are:
> 
> - at the completion of the process the subscriber is
> returned to the 
> AIS page (probably the main page) instead of the
> <other society> home 
> page.
> 
> - the <other society> doesn't get notification of
> the subscription 
> until that AIS Memsec forwards the email to the
> <other society> 
> membership secretary.
> 
> - Payment to the <other society>  is not made
> typically until the end 
> of the month.
> 
> in my personal opinion, I don't see the last two as
> significant. AIS 
> Memsec is likely to forward the subscription
> information within a short 
> time frame. The first issue can be easily rectified
> by he <other 
> society>  membership secretary emailing the new
> subscriber with a URL. 
> Certainly using the AIS PP page or requiring
> subscribers to do  a 
> separate transaction is up to the individual other
> societies to decide 
> what is important to them in terms of convenience. I
> have had one 
> society say "If it loses us a membership because
> someone doesn't want 
> to do 2 separate online transactions (that don't
> cost them anything), 
> well, so be it. " which I personally find
> astounding, but it is up to 
> them. (don't ask I am not going to tell>
> 
> 
> 
> > It is important that AIS do as much as possible to
> > help our sections. It is similar to the the
> federal
> > government and the states. Some states lead the
> feds,
> > others profit from the experimentation of the
> leaders.
> > I believe it has only been about a month that SJI
> has
> > had their join button in place, but during this
> time
> > they have been gaining a steady stream of new
> members.
> 
> Any idea how many? How does that compare to the
> number that have in the 
> past been signing up by mail?
> (We can probably never know the answer to that but
> it would be 
> interesting to have some hard data.)
> 
> > For each day we wait to have a system in place we
> miss
> > potential membership. This is why I am so
> impatient. I
> > realize we are all volunteers and it is not just
> > John's responsibility to accomplish this. I
> suugested
> > this over a year ago and am very disappointed that
> it
> > has taken AIS this long, and still we do not have
> this
> > in place. I would rather see us actually do
> something,
> > then have a debate over the cents that is being
> > charged. I don't want this to sound like a blast
> at
> > John, his accomplishments for AIS have been
> enormous
> > and I have great respect for them. It is more a
> > frustration with our system. I understand the
> value of
> > deliberation. I am also guilty at times of being
> slow.
> > I hope that e-mail somehow can speed our progress
> of
> > keeping up with society.
> >
> > --- John I Jones <jijones@usjoneses.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Of all the Sections and Cooperating Societies,
> only
> >> the SJI has a
> >> PayPal page. The ASI has a PayPal method but you
> do
> >> it via email.
> >>
> >> I believe SSI is planning on having a PayPal page
> on
> >> their site.
> >>
> >> Most that I have heard back from (SPCNI, SIGNA,
> >> Dwarf, SSI, ASI [not
> >> confirmed yet], Spuria, SJI [maybe]) want to be
> on
> >> our page.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 7, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Jill Bonino wrote:
> >>
> >>> I agree with John's proposal.  If we are
> providing
> >> a new service, such
> >>> as PayPal, to other sections and societies, we
> >> should pass along the
> 
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