Re: AIS PayPal Webpage


On Jun 7, 2006, at 12:29 PM, Robt R Pries wrote:

I believe that it is likely that a payment for a
section is going to occur as part of the transaction
for renewal of AIS membership. Therefore unless people
are joining sections without joining AIS, the
transaction fee is moot.
I am not sure that it will be all that uncommon for people to do individual section memberships. People may be renewing different memberships at different times during the year. Many will remember that the AIS site is the place to go for any membership.

The only part that needs to
be considered is the 2.9% of the totally transaction
which on a $10 section dues would be 30cents. If we
charged 30 cent for the transaction for each section
and the 30 cents that is the percentage of the
transaction to each section, than a person joining 3
sections would wind up having the AIS costs paid for
by the sections 3 transaction fees to the sections.
True, and our website costs us to maintain. The cost tot he section would be no more than if someone were to go to that sections website and do a PayPal transaction. That is the real point.

The appearance would be that AIS is billing the
sections for its own paypal use.
No, it is merely the same cost that they would pay of they had their own PayPal page.

Every section I
talked to has or is planning to have their own paypal
account so that people can join directly.
I have talked to several sections that do not plan on having their own PayPal page.


The Japanese
Iris society got theirs set up in a few hours on a
weekend.
Actually it takes several days to several weeks to set up the PayPal account depending whether you have online access to the bank account that is linked to to the PayPal account because you have to validate that several test deposits to the account.

Once you have the proper code snippets for your site it does not take long to set up a page if you have direct access to the website server. (Interestingly enough, you cannot use the PayPal Subscription buttons if you want members to be able to pay with something other than a PayPal account. You have to use a standard produce button. The first two times I called PayPal support about that issue they could not explain it to me)

It helps to have a full understanding of the context.


If we begin charging for a service that we
have been providing free in the past it tends to
further divide AIS from the sections. Since AIS has
not lead the way in this effort but is essentially
following section initiatives, I believe we have lost
the timimg for doing this as proposed.
I do not believe that is true or particularly relevant. Only one society currently has a PayPal page and most of the others would like to use ours. SJI has not said they do not want to be on ours even though they do have their own.

 If we had been
the first, then it would not be percieved as badly. I
would suggest now we need to think in terms of keeping
the present procedure of not billing, and the only
change is using paypal.
I disagree. It is a service of convenience that costs the other society no more than if they were doing it themselves.

John



When we process a PayPal (PP) payment we are charged
2.9% of the
transaction value plus $.30 per transaction. Foreign
currency
transactions cost an additional 2.5% A multiple
subscription
transaction gets only a single transaction fee.
($.30).

The question is how much do we remit to the other
societies.

We need to establish a standard as to how we charge
the Sections and
Cooperating Societies.

I propose that we charge each non-AIS subscription
the 2.9% and the
$.30 transaction fee. That is the same amount that a
Section and
Cooperating Societie would be charged if they had
their own PayPal
service. This approach would allow Tom to use a
simple lookup table to
see how much to remit to the other group. It would
mean that we would
"earn" an additional $.30 for each subscription that
came as part of a
multiple subscription transaction.

The same rate would apply to any non-AIS
subscription that came in as a
single transaction.

The alternative would require Tom to calculate a
separate charge for
each subscription that came in as part of a multiple
subscription
transaction and distribute the Transaction Fee
across all the
subscriptions in a single transaction.

In a separate discussion Tom Gormley has pointed
out:

The existing arrangement we have with accepting
credit card charges
for Offshore non-AIS Members and domestic
AIS/Section members is that
we currently do not pass on the fees involved with
these charges. This
is based on AIS Policy (see below) which is silent
on the subject.
It costs us $1.02 to process a $25.00 charge for
AIS Members but since
most Section charges are about 30% of that I think
we should continue
to provide this service gratis as a warm fuzzy to
the Sections and
Co-ops. As Electronic payments (and membership)
develop and grow we
can then revisit this issue. If we choose to
charge them from the
get-go how do we handle our existing methodology
on Section payments?

As far as I can tell through a search of the AIS
minutes from 1988 thru
2003 the only mention of the Membership Secretary
accepting credit card
transactions is in Oct '97 when M. Harlow reported
that she had sent
out new ITJs that indicated the AIS would accept
credit card
transactions. There is no mention (that I could
find) of whether AIS
should or should not absorb the fee for a credit
card transaction.
There may have been a policy decision, but I cannot
find mention of it.

I propose (although I can't make this as a motion)
that we no longer
absorb the credit card charges for subscriptions to
Sections and
Cooperating Societies submitted to the membership
office and that
PayPal charges be deducted from the amounts remitted
to the Sections
and Cooperating Societies for subscriptions
submitted thru the AIS
PayPal page. If Sections and Cooperating Societies
so choose they can
specify an additional charge for credit card  or
PayPal payments.

THE AMERICAN IRIS SOCIETY
CURRENT AIS MEMBERSHIP OFFICE POLICY CONCERNING
ACCEPTING DUES FOR SECTIONS AND COOPERATING
SOCIETIES
MARCH, 2002

PLEASE FILE FOR REFERENCE AND PLEASE ENSURE THAT
ONLY CORRECT
INFORMATION IS PUBLISHED TO YOUR MEMBERS

The AlS Membership Office will accept dues for
Sections and
Cooperating Societies when tendered by AIS members
simultaneously with
their AIS dues and paid either by check, money
order, or Visa or
MasterCard.

All dues collected on behalf of Sections or
Cooperating Societies are
forwarded by the AlS Membership Office to the
appropriate recipients
during the first week of the month subsequent to
the month in which
they were received by the Membership Office.

As a special gesture of support to the Sections
and Cooperating
Societies, the AlS Membership Office will accept
dues from members of
these groups living outside the USA who are not
also tendering AlS
dues simultaneously, including those who are not
AlS members, when
those
persons pay with either Visa or MasterCard.

Members of Sections or Cooperating Societies who
live within the USA
and who are not paying AIS dues simultaneously
should always send
their check for renewal directly to the membership
chairman of the
appropriate Section or Cooperating Society.

The AIS Membership Office does not accept charge
payments for special
contributions to the Sections or Cooperating
Societies.

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