Re: [AISdiscuss] AIS PayPal Webpage

[Robt R Pries <rpries@sbcglobal.net>]

I believe that it is likely that a payment for a
section is going to occur as part of the transaction
for renewal of AIS membership. Therefore unless people
are joining sections without joining AIS, the
transaction fee is moot. The only part that needs to
be considered is the 2.9% of the totally transaction
which on a $10 section dues would be 30cents. If we
charged 30 cent for the transaction for each section
and the 30 cents that is the percentage of the
transaction to each section, than a person joining 3
sections would wind up having the AIS costs paid for
by the sections 3 transaction fees to the sections.
The appearance would be that AIS is billing the
sections for its own paypal use. Every section I
talked to has or is planning to have their own paypal
account so that people can join directly. The Japanese
Iris society got theirs set up in a few hours on a
weekend. If we begin charging for a service that we
have been providing free in the past it tends to
further divide AIS from the sections. Since AIS has
not lead the way in this effort but is essentially
following section initiatives, I believe we have lost
the timimg for doing this as proposed. If we had been
the first, then it would not be percieved as badly. I
would suggest now we need to think in terms of keeping
the present procedure of not billing, and the only
change is using paypal. 

--- John I Jones <jijones@usjoneses.com> wrote:

> When we process a PayPal (PP) payment we are charged
> 2.9% of the 
> transaction value plus $.30 per transaction. Foreign
> currency 
> transactions cost an additional 2.5% A multiple
> subscription 
> transaction gets only a single transaction fee.
> ($.30).
> 
> The question is how much do we remit to the other
> societies.
> 
> We need to establish a standard as to how we charge
> the Sections and 
> Cooperating Societies.
> 
> I propose that we charge each non-AIS subscription
> the 2.9% and the 
> $.30 transaction fee. That is the same amount that a
> Section and 
> Cooperating Societie would be charged if they had
> their own PayPal 
> service. This approach would allow Tom to use a
> simple lookup table to 
> see how much to remit to the other group. It would
> mean that we would 
> "earn" an additional $.30 for each subscription that
> came as part of a 
> multiple subscription transaction.
> 
> The same rate would apply to any non-AIS
> subscription that came in as a 
> single transaction.
> 
> The alternative would require Tom to calculate a
> separate charge for 
> each subscription that came in as part of a multiple
> subscription 
> transaction and distribute the Transaction Fee
> across all the 
> subscriptions in a single transaction.
> 
> In a separate discussion Tom Gormley has pointed
> out:
> 
> > The existing arrangement we have with accepting
> credit card charges 
> > for Offshore non-AIS Members and domestic
> AIS/Section members is that 
> > we currently do not pass on the fees involved with
> these charges. This 
> > is based on AIS Policy (see below) which is silent
> on the subject.
> >
> > It costs us $1.02 to process a $25.00 charge for
> AIS Members but since 
> > most Section charges are about 30% of that I think
> we should continue 
> > to provide this service gratis as a warm fuzzy to
> the Sections and 
> > Co-ops. As Electronic payments (and membership)
> develop and grow we 
> > can then revisit this issue. If we choose to
> charge them from the 
> > get-go how do we handle our existing methodology
> on Section payments?
> >
> 
> As far as I can tell through a search of the AIS
> minutes from 1988 thru 
> 2003 the only mention of the Membership Secretary
> accepting credit card 
> transactions is in Oct '97 when M. Harlow reported
> that she had sent 
> out new ITJs that indicated the AIS would accept
> credit card 
> transactions. There is no mention (that I could
> find) of whether AIS 
> should or should not absorb the fee for a credit
> card transaction. 
> There may have been a policy decision, but I cannot
> find mention of it.
> 
> I propose (although I can't make this as a motion)
> that we no longer 
> absorb the credit card charges for subscriptions to
> Sections and 
> Cooperating Societies submitted to the membership
> office and that 
> PayPal charges be deducted from the amounts remitted
> to the Sections 
> and Cooperating Societies for subscriptions
> submitted thru the AIS 
> PayPal page. If Sections and Cooperating Societies
> so choose they can 
> specify an additional charge for credit card  or
> PayPal payments.
> 
> > THE AMERICAN IRIS SOCIETY
> > CURRENT AIS MEMBERSHIP OFFICE POLICY CONCERNING
> > ACCEPTING DUES FOR SECTIONS AND COOPERATING
> SOCIETIES
> >
> > MARCH, 2002
> >
> > PLEASE FILE FOR REFERENCE AND PLEASE ENSURE THAT
> ONLY CORRECT 
> > INFORMATION IS PUBLISHED TO YOUR MEMBERS
> >
> > The AlS Membership Office will accept dues for
> Sections and 
> > Cooperating Societies when tendered by AIS members
> simultaneously with 
> > their AIS dues and paid either by check, money
> order, or Visa or 
> > MasterCard.
> >
> > All dues collected on behalf of Sections or
> Cooperating Societies are 
> > forwarded by the AlS Membership Office to the
> appropriate recipients 
> > during the first week of the month subsequent to
> the month in which 
> > they were received by the Membership Office.
> >
> > As a special gesture of support to the Sections
> and Cooperating 
> > Societies, the AlS Membership Office will accept
> dues from members of 
> > these groups living outside the USA who are not
> also tendering AlS 
> > dues simultaneously, including those who are not
> AlS members, when 
> > those
> > persons pay with either Visa or MasterCard.
> >
> > Members of Sections or Cooperating Societies who
> live within the USA 
> > and who are not paying AIS dues simultaneously
> should always send 
> > their check for renewal directly to the membership
> chairman of the 
> > appropriate Section or Cooperating Society.
> >
> > The AIS Membership Office does not accept charge
> payments for special 
> > contributions to the Sections or Cooperating
> Societies.
> 
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