Re: R & Is

[Robert Pries <robertpries@embarqmail.com>]

Where is the announcement that the decennial checklists are available. I did not want to pre-order and I was hoping to order direct from the printer, since I am sure that would be less expensive and less work for John. And I still would like to use a shopping cart instead of leaving prtions of a credit card on an answering machine. Shopping carts are now the way the world does business and there are nurseries that have lost my busines in favor of others that have shopping carts. I have resolved not to buy anything from AIS until they got their act together.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Silverberg" <sil1812@molalla.net>
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 1:01:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] R & Is

Bob: Contact John Ludi!!!!! The 2009 Check Lists are available. I have my 
soft cover sitting on the shelf and will pick up my hard cover next Saturday 
at our annual JT luncheon.

Dave Silverberg
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Pries" <robertpries@embarqmail.com>
To: <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] R & Is


>I do not want to dstract from the convention discussion. Perhaps we can 
>chew gum and walk at the same time. My question is what is happening with 
>the Decennial checklist? Why has there been no discussion about Print on 
>demand for the new R & I and where is the AIS shopping cart so I could put 
>in my orders? I am still waiting to order the last R & I so I can test the 
>shopping cart. Since I have heard nothing about any of these things it 
>would be nice to give everyone an update.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janet Smith" <ypauls@sti.net>
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:33:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Convention Ownership
>
> This is a great discussion we are having.  Thanks to Pat for her
> thoughts.
>
> There are a few things missing.  Since I have attended a few Board
> Meetings as a committee member I would like to mention a few things:
>
> 1. Do not think the AIS Board is not addressing conventions and
> Paul's difficulties.  It is an ongoing discussion.
>
> 2. All the ideas are nice, AIS should do this, Affiliates should do
> that, Regions should ......  GREAT!  You have forgotten one important
> thought -
>
> VOLUNTEERS! ! ! !
>
> If you do not have enough volunteers to help with all the jobs needed
> to make a success.  Guess what!
>
> I like the idea of instruction books handed over to the next
> convention host so there is less stress of "what do I do now".  (A
> thought - if need be hand me the information and I will create a
> Digital Program- Convention Host-what to do now!)
>
> May be conventions every other year with gardens, and the odd year
> without.  Didn't we read something in the AIS Bulletin from Kathy
> Chilton about that?
>
> It may be easy to think - hand it over to ..... but the reality is:
>
> 1. Volunteers
> 2. Time
> 3. Money
> 4. Organzational skills
> 5. all the rest I forgot to mention.
>
> I am not yelling at anyone - just remember - we are not getting the
> volunteers or members who LIKE to volunteer to do anything.
> I know, because I belong to an affilate who has over 50 members and
> the same 10 volunteer to do the work.  We get tired too!
>
> My 2 cents:
>
> Janet Smith
> AIS Digital-Slides Program Chair
>
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: gardens@molalla.net
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Convention Ownership
> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 21:17:14 -0800
>
>>I have a question for Dennis that I would like him to answer.
>>
>>
>>What is the incentive for the Chapter or Region if the AIS takes
>>ownership
>>and the profits of a convention?
>>
>>All My Best
>>Will
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "R. Dennis Hager" <hager@aredee.com>
>>To: <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
>>Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 9:11 PM
>>Subject: [AISdiscuss] Convention Ownership
>>
>>
>>> There is no doubt that without Paul, there would be no AIS
>>Convention. I
>>> posed these questions not to attack Paul, but to point out to the
>>Board
>>> that the current structure really needs to be changed. The AIS
>>Convention
>>> is a crapshoot, with the dice being passed on to the next soul who
>>wanders
>>> into the game.
>>>
>>> Am I the only person who believes that something should be done to
>>improve
>>> the quality of the AIS Convention?
>>>
>>> Ultimately, the responsibility of the AIS Board is to keep the
>>> organization alive. Having vibrant and successful conventions is
>>key to
>>> the health of the AIS.
>>>
>>> I would suggest to you that the AIS needs to take ownership of the
>>> convention. The AIS should handle finances, programs, national and
>>> international marketing, plant registration, handbooks, attendee
>>> registration and hotel. The host club should handle gardens, local
>>> marketing, hospitality and transportation, with the assistance of
>>the AIS.
>>>
>>> For many organizations, ownership of a convention (and the profits)
>>is a
>>> huge asset. With ownership comes responsibility. For some reason,
>>the AIS
>>> Board has decided not to own the convention. I don't know why and
>>it
>>> doesn't really matter. What does matter that if the AIS really
>>wants the
>>> Convention to continually improve, the Board needs to decide to
>>take
>>> ownership of it and provide Paul or whoever is in his position with
>>the
>>> resources and backing to make each subsequent convention better
>>than the
>>> one before.
>>>
>>> When it comes to convention and event management, there is nothing
>>truly
>>> unique about the AIS. There are professional convention and event
>>managers
>>> who routinely handle much more complicated events. It is time for
>>one to
>>> be consulted. For the record, I do not personally know any
>>professional
>>> event planners and have no financial interest in any organization
>>that
>>> provides such services.
>>>
>>> Dennis Hager
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: Jill Bonino
>>> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 9:02 PM
>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention
>>>
>>> I agree with Cheryl.  Paul has been indispensable (?) to us for the
>>2012
>>> Convention.
>>>
>>> The Canada Convention created a great Bus Book for Bus Captains
>>which we
>>> are using as a guide for the 2012.  This can be passed along.
>>There are
>>> also spreadsheets, memos, and letters we created for promotion that
>>can be
>>> copies and passed along too.  Jill
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: cheryl deaton <region15kids@hotmail.com>
>>>>Sent: Jan 24, 2012 9:09 AM
>>>>To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention
>>>>
>>>>Speaking on behalf of Region 15 and the 2012 AIS Convention
>>Committee, I
>>>>can
>>>>attest to the invaluable help Paul as Convention Liason has given
>>us from
>>>>the
>>>>very beginning.  I agree that we need to share more information
>>because in
>>>>certain areas the information is minimal at best, especially since
>>many
>>>>areas
>>>>have never hosted a convention.  Region 15 will happily share
>>information.
>>>>Cheryl Deaton
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: pwgossett@juno.com
>>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 02:53:43 +0000
>>>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention
>>>>>
>>>>> Good Evening All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to answer these questions Dennis has brought forward
>>as I
>>>>> see
>>>>it.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Who OWNS the Convention?
>>>>> The owner would either be a local society or region. But, it
>>would a
>>>>> shared
>>>>ownership if AIS, local society and/or region are all sharing in
>>the
>>>>expenses
>>>>on putting on the convention.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) How should the Convention be promoted?
>>>>> Through the AIS IRISES publication, regional newsletters, local
>>>>> newsletters,
>>>>AIS Web Site, local society web site, regional web site, AIS
>>Facebook, and
>>>>any
>>>>local avenues such as tv stations, radio stations, garden club
>>>>organizations,
>>>>master gardeners, newspapers.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Who owns the intellectual data that is generated at each
>>convention?
>>>>> I am assuming you are talking about names and contact information
>>of
>>>>> those
>>>>attending the convention. The owner would be shared between local
>>society
>>>>and/or region and AIS. AIS needs to do a better job at sharing this
>>>>information with the next convention so that they can communicate
>>with
>>>>those
>>>>that have attended the last several conventions.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) Is that data used to promote and improve subsequent
>>conventions?
>>>>> As of right now, no the attendees information is not being shared
>>but,
>>>>> other
>>>>information is being shared such as bus information.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5) What functions of the convention should be administered by the
>>Host?
>>>>> Convention Chairman, Guest Iris Coordinator, Transportation
>>Coordinator,
>>>>Hospitality/Garden Refreshment Coordinator, Porta a Potty
>>Coordinator,
>>>>Boutique Coordinator.
>>>>>
>>>>> 6) What functions of the convention should be administered by
>>AIS?
>>>>> Registration, Convention Booklet, Silent Auction, Web Site.
>>>>>
>>>>> These positions could be handled by either a local or AIS
>>>>> person....Hotel
>>>>Meeting Schedule, Secretary, Publicity Coordinator, Awards Chair,
>>and
>>>>Treasurer.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be the responsibility of the AIS Convention Liaison to
>>assist
>>>>> with
>>>>the convention in any way he or she see needs to be done. At the
>>present
>>>>time
>>>>I am actually putting together the Hotel Meeting Schedule and then
>>letting
>>>>a
>>>>local person contact each of the sections or people whom have
>>meetings at
>>>>the
>>>>convention to get their approval of the times that have been
>>scheduled for
>>>>each of those meetings. I also have meet with the hotel sales or
>>banquet
>>>>contact person and work them also. I am also making a list of the
>>meeting
>>>>speaker, the topic of their program, and their a/v equipment needs
>>and
>>>>then I
>>>>will notify the AIS Editor, AIS Electronic Services Chair, and the
>>hotel
>>>>with
>>>>the a/v needs. I then at the convention make sure all is going well
>>at the
>>>>convention whether it be at the hotel, buses, etc...... I am the
>>>>Convention
>>>>Chairs right hand man.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>>>>> From: "R. Dennis Hager" <hager@aredee.com>
>>>>> To: <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention
>>>>> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 08:53:00 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>> There are underlying questions that need to be considered as a
>>part of
>>>>> this
>>>>> question.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who OWNS the Convention?
>>>>> How should the Convention be promoted?
>>>>> Who owns the intellectual data that is generated at each
>>convention?
>>>>> Is that data used to promote and improve subsequent conventions?
>>>>> What functions of the convention should be administered by the
>>Host?
>>>>> What functions of the convention should be administered by AIS?
>>>>>
>>>>> These questions are NOT about how things ARE done, but how they
>>SHOULD
>>>>> be
>>>>> done.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dennis Hager
>>>>> Irisarian, Pharmacist, Restaurateur, Councilman, Former Mayor and
>>
>>>>> General
>>>>> Pain in the A....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Maureen
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:40 AM
>>>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] 2014 AIS Convention
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we all suspected that a discussion on AIS policy on
>>conventions
>>>>> was
>>>>> going to happen sooner rather than later.
>>>>>
>>>>> I expect that the current ad hoc help at the back end should a
>>club
>>>>> suffer
>>>>> catastrophic losses from a convention is not going to be
>>sufficient
>>>>> going
>>>>> forward.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would suggest that board discussion consider the following.
>>>>>
>>>>> If AIS takes on the riskiest and costliest expense of the
>>convention,
>>>>> should
>>>>> AIS then also receive some part of the revenues generated by the
>>>>> convention?
>>>>> (for example, collect a fixed portion of registration fees and
>>receive
>>>>> all
>>>>> revenues from silent auction)
>>>>>
>>>>> Should AIS get involved in fund raising for conventions?
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the impact on the long term financial health of AIS?
>>While AIS
>>>>> manages its finances fairly well by managing its expenses with
>>variable
>>>>> revenues. How will AIS manage with a significant variable
>>expense?
>>>>>
>>>>> The last question is probably the most important.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, I won't be at the national convention this year. I
>>will
>>>>> see
>>>>> some of you at the Siberian convention.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maureen Mark
>>>>> Ottawa, Ontario
>>>>> (Not a current board director)
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2012-01-11, at 3:00 AM, "pwgossett@juno.com"
>><pwgossett@juno.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Good Evening Folks,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The weekend of December 3 & 4, 2011, I had the pleasure of
>>meeting
>>>>> > with
>>>>> > the Delaware Valley Iris Society at their winter board meeting
>>in
>>>>> > Pennsylvania. After they concluded their board meeting they
>>allowed me
>>>>> > to
>>>>> > tell them my thoughts about them hosting an AIS Convention in
>>their
>>>>> > area
>>>>> > and what AIS can do to assist them. We discussed all aspects of
>>
>>>>> > hosting a
>>>>> > convention and had volunteers to be the Chairperson, Guest Iris
>>Chair,
>>>>> > Transportation Chair, and Treasurer all from the area. We also
>>>>> > discussed
>>>>> > 4 or 5 gardens that might be on tour along with local non iris
>>gardens
>>>>> > and
>>>>> > historical attractions that could be used as an optional tour.
>>They
>>>>> > would
>>>>> > like to receive guest plants but, will have to have a
>>limitation on
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > number and also 2014 would be too soon for them if they would
>>be
>>>>> > receiving
>>>>> > guest plants.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We also discussed financial concerns and obligations. I believe
>>their
>>>>> > greatest concern is how much of a role would AIS be willing to
>>take in
>>>>> > both manpower and financial. On the financial side the hotel is
>>the
>>>>> > biggest expense of a convention. I believe if AIS would be
>>willing to
>>>>> > sign the hotel contract and take on the financial
>>responsibility of
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > hotel we might have a convention site on the east coast
>>probably not
>>>>> > in
>>>>> > 2014 but, maybe 2016 or 2017. They are thinking about it now
>>and will
>>>>> > make a decision by the end of January. I am hoping for a
>>positive
>>>>> > response from them on hosting an AIS Convention.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > My question to the AIS Board is.... Would AIS be willing to
>>sign the
>>>>> > hotel contract and take on the financial responsibility of the
>>hotel?
>>>>> > I
>>>>> > would estimate the cost of the hotel expenses would be about
>>$25,000.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I would like to have your suggestions as to what I need to do
>>and what
>>>>> > role will AIS have in this convention and also future
>>conventions.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thank you,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Paul
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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