Re: AIS Silent Auction - your thoughts on this please

["Janet Smith" <ypauls@sti.net>]

I stopped reading when I got to this sentence:
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"The 1974 Dover Publications unabridged republication of the original 
(1913) edition is clothbound and measures 8-1/2 x 12"
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There is a huge difference and it must be clarifed by someone!
Are we talking about a donation of the 1913 original book OR
the 1974 reprint???????

The price for the 1974 edition is not in the thousands! 
And readily avalable.

Janet

---- Original Message ----
From: MORRISJE1@aol.com
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] AIS Silent Auction - your thoughts on this
please
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 16:13:34 -0500 (EST)

>I have been reading all the interesting discussion regarding The
>Genus  
>Iris bequeath from Francesca Thoolen to the Aril Society
>International and  
>would like to share some separate discussions in November I had with
>Lyn 
>Wilson,  an ASI member who has been involved with Karla Garcia
>(Francesca's 
>daughter) and  Betsy Higgins.  I cut & pasted from several emails in
>date sequence 
> oldest to newest. So it looks like AIS can do this for ASI in a  
>non-precedent setting mode.  I find myself agreeing with Cheryl
>Deaton but  think it 
>not unreasonable to take a minimal commission of say 10% on such an 
>item.
> 
>Jim M.
> 
>I have some mixed thoughts on this.  I agree that  we should have a
>minimum
>bid, that the book NOT be on display, but  secured
>somewhere (unfortunately we have experienced theft in many areas the 
>past 
>few
>conventions) and that it could be examined by bidders separately, 
>that ASI 
>get
>an insurance rider to protect Region 15, and that an ASI member  be
>there to
>answer questions.  I think these special circumstances for  Silent
>Auction
>items should be a board decision, not the responsibility of  the
>Silent 
>Auction
>chair, since in some cases this could decrease the amount  of money
>spent on
>silent auction items (in a tough economy you chose  carefully where
>your 
>money
>goes).  As to AIS getting a percentage of the  proceeds, I am not
>convinced 
>we
>need to do this.
>Cheryl
>   
>
>
>FRANCESCA ROMEO THOOLEN   
>1921-2011
>Francesca bequeathed her copy of The Genus Iris by W. R. Dykes  to
>ASI for 
>auction with the proceeds going to ASI.  In compliance with her 
>wishes, The 
>Genus Iris will be offered for Silent Auction at the 2011 AIS 
>Convention 
>in Ontario, CA.
>Lyn, The 1974 Dover Publications unabridged  republication of the
>original 
>(1913) edition is clothbound and measures 8-1/2 x  12" and is 20%
>smaller 
>than the 1913 book of 10 x 14-1/2".  What size is  the Thoolan book? 
>If it is 
>larger and in fact is an original it is of  inestimable value. 
>Otherwise 
>it is as valued on E-bay or that of the  various online book sources.
> Jim M. 
>  
>
> 
>Lynn,
>This sounds like the original!  I don't know who  Betsy talked to in
>"AIS" 
>that they weren't willing to share auction proceeds  with ASI.  It
>would 
>seem to me that such a sharing is possible and  probable.  We have
>shared in 
>the past.  The audience would certainly  be larger whether at the
>Silent 
>Auction or at the Geek Dinner.  I will copy  a couple of other AIS
>board members 
>to see what they might think is  possible.  Jim M. 
> 
>MORRISJE1@aol.com wrote: 
>> John,    
>> Thanks.  That is what I thought too.  The rare book search I  just
>did 
>> shows copies for sale as follow:
>>  
>> Bauman  Rare Books $2,200.00
>> Johnnycake Books    $1,253.50
>>  Jans Collectables      $   700.00
>> Three copies  of only 300 printed in 1913.>  
>> Jim M.>  
>> In a  message dated 11/8/2011 5:50:28 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
>>  jijones@usjoneses.com writes:
>> 
>> All,
>> If we were to  auction it at the Geek Dinner we would of  course be
>
>willing 
>> to  share the proceeds. I don't see why special arrangements  could
>not 
>be  
>> made for the Silent Auction as well. It is only one item to be  
>treated 
>thus. 
>> I can understand that, especially at the Silent Auction,  they 
>would not 
>> want to have a lot of items shared, it would be an  accounting 
>nightmare.
>> 
>> The Silent Auction venue would  probably be better - larger  crowd
>than 
>the 
>> Geek Dinner.
>>  
>> My copy of the Dykes is dated Cambridge  Press 1913. I have never 
>heard 
>of 
>> earlier editions. Mine has leather on the  spine wrapped  around
>about 
>two 
>> inches into both the front and back covers. The   rest of the
>covers are 
>green 
>> hardboard covered with a fabric material,  typical  of the time. I
>have 
>heard 
>> of, but never seen, a rigid  dust cover that the  volume can slip 
>into.
>> 
>>  John
>Jim,
>Thanks so much for all your research and  work!   
>The terms of her will state that the book is to be  auctioned with
>the 
>proceeds to go to ASI.  I'm thinking that 10% would not  be out of
>compliance 
>with her terms.  The Geeks hoped for 50%, and that  probably will not
>work.  
>I'm not sure about the 20%, but it may be over the  amount that would
>satisfy 
>the terms of her will.  Some board members felt  10% would work.  
>Just a lot of questions.
>Thanks again,
>--
>Lyn  Wilson
>
>---- MORRISJE1@aol.com wrote: 
>> Subject:  F. Thoolan's  copy of The Genus Iris for auction to 
>benefit ASI
>>  
>>  Judy,
>>  
>> Do we have any set procedure for handling items at  the AIS Silent 
>Auction  
>> for Sections/Cooperating Societies or is  it left to the discretion
>of 
>the  
>> committee?  I know we have  handled items in the past but don't
>know what 
> 
>> portion accrued to  AIS vs the Section/Cooperating Society.
>>  
>> Booksellers I  have talked to charge anywhere from 20% to 50%
>commission 
>for 
>>   handling an item for another party.  I would think 20% would be 
>reasonable  
>>  for AIS to handle the mint condition copy of The Genus Iris for 
>the  
>Aril 
>> Society International.  What do you and others  think?  I've 
>copied 
>Jeanne 
>> as our Policy chairman and  Clarence because he buys rare  books. 
>I 
>would 
>> think that a  minimum bid price in the $150-$200 range  would
>> be a reasonable  starting point.  I would appreciate a response
>from  
>all.   
>> Thanks. 
>>  
>> Jim M.
>>  ****************************************
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>
> 
>In a message dated 2/1/2012 8:28:49 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
>robertpries@embarqmail.com writes:
>
>Debra; I  can comment on part of your requirements. Several months
>ago when 
>Francesca  died I found a person in AIS close to her residence that
>could 
>work with her  family to rescue her Iris stuff before it was trashed.
>Thank 
>you Ken Walker.  When it was noted that she had an original Dykes
>monograph I 
>volunteered to  advertize it on Facebook and wherever else I could
>get some 
>help. They have  been working on getting photos so we can publicize
>this 
>offering. People would  submit sealed bids that would be opened at
>the end of 
>the silent auction and  it would be determined if an electronic
>bidder had 
>surpassed the convention  bidders. PR and Marketing will do its best
>to get 
>publicity of course help is  always appreciated. 
>
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