Re: Paying for registrations

[Robert Pries <robertpries@embarqmail.com>]

My understanding is not that people overseas are trying to get free registration but in some cases would ay less by registering directly with Mike and Anne. I think it is probably unwise to bypass the assistant registrar even if they charge more because you do not want to be going around your assistants if you want them to continue to assist.

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From: "Capeiris" <capeiris@aol.com>
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Sent: Monday, December 6, 2010 10:51:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Paying for registrations

Thanks Terry:

   I wasn't aware of that . The International body does allow charges to cover
the expenses for doing that service but not necessarily mking a profit from it
as I understand it. So, if that's the situation t6hen a chaqrge should be
made. Dave






-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Aitken <terry@flowerfantasy.net>
To: aisdiscuss <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
Sent: Sat, Dec 4, 2010 11:26 am
Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Paying for registrations


Hi Dave and all.
 don't think that is the problem. There are overseas people who are trying
o get free registrations by applying directly to Mike and Anne. If they do
ry to bypass the international registrars, they should be paying the same
ate as North American members. From what I read into Mike's explanation,
ur registration policy does not cover this situation. The board needs to
dd some words to the registration policy and I would like Mike to provide
he words - maybe later?
erry

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Thanks Bob for fulfilling my request as to the basis of registrations. I
alked to Kevin Walek, the registrar for daylilies. H e told me that they do
harge the same fee for overseas registrations but there is no intermediary
uch as what we have. I don't know whether nwe can compare apples with
pples
r noy in this situation. I beleieve Poland regsters daylilies as does
ustralia and maybe South Africa. I didn't ask Kevin this but I do know that
ussia has a problem with setting seeds since their season is late and a
hort
ne so that seeds don't get a chance to mature unless they bring the stem
nside and let the seeds mature from the stem. So, they may not be getting
uch a wide range of cultivars as we get in the iris world. Dave


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harging for Registration.
B
aul Black had indicated that it would be unfair to charge USA hybridizers
nd
t Overseas hybridizers for registering an Iris. I agree and it will
robably
rprise Paul and the board that that is not what happens. Dave had asked
ether we could charge by the rules set for us as a ICRA for Irises. I will
y to answer both since This is a terribly busy time for the Registrar. IVRA
and for International Cultivar Registration Authority and ICRAs are
overned
 the ISHS (International Society for Horticultural Science) and their
mmission for Nomenclature and Cultivar Registration. The Chairman of the
mmission is Dr. Janet Cubey. I have talked with her several times over
veral years, although not since I moved to NC. I was delighted that she
new
 from the SIGNA checklist I created and she liked. B  She also noted that
r registrar for Iris is one of the best. Although the rules are spelled out
 the International Horticultural Code, I do not have a copy and can not
ite
apter and verse but can only give you a summary. There is no numerical
imit
 what we can charge but it should not be much more than the costs involved
 fulfilling our mandate. Our mandate is to get Irises registered and to
ake
e registration information easily available to the horticultural world.
his
 one of the primary roles that created the American Iris Society and many
f
r founders where also involved in the foundation of the ISHS. You could
gue that the AISbs reason for being started out of the need to make sense
 all the Iris names in commerce in the 1920s.
B
ow to answer Pauls problem. Overseas Irises come to the AIS registrar
hrough
sistant registrars for different parts of the World. These assistant gather
e registrations and translate the language to English so that Mike can work
th them to put into the registry, Each registrar can collect fees for the
ises they send on to Mike. This varies by assistant but in some parts of
he
rld people have grumbled that they are paying too much to register an Iris.
have seen letters asking for us to register directly but this could be a
ry difficult task because of all the languages involved. So although the
IS
 not receiving money for these registrations you could say, that that money
 what we would have to pay for translations and assembling the
gistrations. I know that people overseas have requested sponsors from the
A to help get their plants registered. If we would follow Pauls thought of
rning the registration over to another organization I am certain what
erican hybridizers pay would go up dramatically. Registration is the Pearl
 AISs crown. We would be only another Iris Society without it. Why is
eryone suggesting ideas that would diminish our Society? Certainly we could
view the various charges and see if there is anyway that we could improve
n
irness, but our primary goal is to get plants properly registered and that
formation publicized.
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