Re: Re: Final Awards List

[don.rude@comcast.net]

Judy, 
Your point is well taken. Rules are indeed rules. 
Don 


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From: "Judy Keisling" <keisling@swbell.net> 
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org 
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 7:55:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Re: Final Awards List 

While I empathize with this situation, particularly for the hybridizer of Jane 
M. Sadler (who I personally know), I am not willing to make a decision to put 
this iris back on the HM list. 


It is unfortunate that a valid vote came in 
after the awards list was 
announced. For the past several years we have 
waited at least 10 days after the 
deadline before notifying the medal winners 
and then published the full list a 
couple days after that. This is what was 
done again this year. I notified the 
medal winners on August 10 and the full 
list was published on Discuss on August 
12. The vote from overseas arrived 
on August 13. 

I don't like to be hard nosed about this but the rules are the 
rules, evem 
thought we may not always like them. We would be setting a 
precedent by putting 
these two irises back on the list of HM winners - a 
precedent I am not in favor 
of. Once we start making exceptions where do we 
stop? What if another ballot 
came in today that was postmarked by the 
deadline? It could happen if it got 
stuck in the postal system someplace. 
Do we shuffle the cards yet again? 

Certainly the Board could vote to add the 
two irises back on the HM list - but I 
think it's dangerous to start making 
exceptions to rules that are in place. 

Perhaps we should wait 15 days to 
announce the winners in the future, but again 
- what happens if a valid 
ballot arrives on the 16th or 17th day? 


Again, I'm sorry that a new 
hybridizer is disappointed after thinking that her 
iris received an HM - I 
know it's a big let down. 


Judy 
On 8/18/2012 1:51 PM, MORRISJE1@aol.com 
wrote: 
> As I said earlier and state more strongly now: I think it is 
> 
inherently wrong for AIS to put out an awards list and then to have to 
> 
correct it removing people who had a false joy and were already 
> receiving 
congratulations from around their region. I would rather 
> see us add them 
back in and error on the side of encouragement to 
> hybridizers rather than 
disappointment. Do I have to put it in the 
> form of a motion? Nobody 
responded that they even read my first email. 

I will, of course, add back the 
two iris that were in the premature (and 
erroneous) winners listing if so 
directed by the AIS president, or by a 
passed motion from the board. 

But 
bending (or breaking) the rules because we feel sorry for the 
hybridizer 
seems like the wrong thing to do, or at least a dangerous 
precedent. Would 
the subject even have come up if the iris involved came 
from Schreiners? I 
certainly sympathize with not wanting to discourage a 
hybridizer, though. 
One further question: The early list had a three-way tie for sixth place 
in 
the Siberian HM winners with 20 votes (and the category was supposed 
to have 
six winners plus ties). Two of them dropped off the list when 
one of the 
three got a vote in the late ballot. The question is whether, 
if one of the 
iris with 19 votes in the original list had also got a 
vote (neither did, 
fortunately), raising its total to 20, would it also 
be promoted, or would 
two iris with 20 votes be declared winners and 
another with 20 votes not be a 
winner? The two lists are shown below. An 
example of my question is "What if 
LAUGH OUT LOUD had 20 votes in the 
second list?" 

Anyhow, to reiterate my 
first comment, I will gladly do whatever the 
board and/or president wish. But 
if there is much further delay in 
releasing an official list I will be 
purchasing a military quality flak 
jacket to protect myself from those 
clamoring for the list, and charging 
the jacket to AIS. 

Gerry Snyder 
AIS 
Awards Chair 


Early list: 

SIB HONORABLE MENTION 
(Total votes cast = 693) 
85 
GINGER TWIST (Marty Schafer/Jan Sacks) 
78 MISS APPLE (Marty Schafer/Jan Sacks) 
38 LUCY LOCKET (Marty Schafer/Jan Sacks) 
26 CAPE COD BOYS (Marty Schafer/Jan 
Sacks) 
23 TRIP TO PARIS (Marty Schafer/Jan Sacks) 
20 DIRIGO INDIGO (John 
White) 
20 HOW AUDACIOUS (Robert Hollingworth) 
20 JANE M. SADLER (Barbara 
Schuette) 
Runners Up: 
19 LAUGH OUT LOUD (Robert Hollingworth) 
19 SYLVIA'S LOVE 
(Sylvia Borglum) 

Revised list: 

SIB HONORABLE MENTION 
(Total votes cast = 
699) 
86 GINGER TWIST (Marty Schafer/Jan Sacks) 
79 MISS APPLE (Marty 
Schafer/Jan Sacks) 
38 LUCY LOCKET (Marty Schafer/Jan Sacks) 
26 CAPE COD BOYS 
(Marty Schafer/Jan Sacks) 
24 TRIP TO PARIS (Marty Schafer/Jan Sacks) 
21 HOW 
AUDACIOUS (Robert Hollingworth) 
Runners Up: 
20 DIRIGO INDIGO (John White) 
20 
JANE M. SADLER (Barbara Schuette) 
19 LAUGH OUT LOUD (Robert Hollingworth) 
19 
SYLVIA'S LOVE (Sylvia Borglum) 
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From: Gerry Snyder <geraldcsnyder@gmail.com> 
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[AISdiscuss] Re: Final Awards List 

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