Re: Emembership

[Judy Keisling <keisling@swbell.net>]

Jill,  

John would be the one to answer this question.  However, based on a
discussion I 
had with him last night, the free trial will end as soon as the
system is 
working properly - that is to say, until the enrollment process
problem can be 
resolved.  


The free trial was put into place so that those
who tried to enroll and paid 
through PayPal would not be "frustrated."
Actually, the free trial may be a good thing.  People who take advantage of it
while it lasts may get "hooked" on emembership and actually join when the
enrollment issue is resolved.

Judy




________________________________
From:
Jill Bonino <aistreas@earthlink.net>
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
Sent: Mon,
October 17, 2011 1:49:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership

John &
Judy..

How long is the "free trial" going to be open?  Frankly, we need all
of the 
income we can get NOW.  


Jill


-----Original Message-----
>From:
John Jones <jijones@usjoneses.com>
>Sent: Oct 17, 2011 8:45 AM
>To:
aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>
>Bob,
>
>We
can talk tomorrow morning. I have put a temporary solution in place. 
>
>With
President Keisling's concurrence I have modified the website to provide
>emembership as a free trial for a limited time.
>
>So now anyone can use it
with the temporary ID and Password. Not only solves the 
>current problem, 
but it is good marketing too.
>
>John
>
>On Oct 17, 2011, at 7:42 AM, Robert
Pries wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I missed your call. Thats pretty late for me but I
will stay up. I think 
>>we can solve this.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message
-----
>> From: "John Jones" <jijones@usjoneses.com>
>> To:
aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:31:39 AM
>>
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>> 
>> I have always been open to new
ideas. I've been thinking out of the box my 
>>entire career starting with the
Navy (you try getting the Navy to do something 
>>different  <grin>)
>> 
>>
Tried calling you this morning. I am working today so we can try tonight after
>>7:30 PDT
>> 
>> John
>> On Oct 17, 2011, at 4:03 AM, Robert Pries wrote:
>>
>>> John; I am willing to do everything I can to help. I have some ideas that
might 
>>>solve the problems. Give me a call if you are willing to think out
of the box.
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "John Jones"
<jijones@usjoneses.com>
>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>> Sent: Sunday,
October 16, 2011 1:39:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>> 
>>>
I would like to be clear about the situation:
>>> 
>>> I am sorry for the
confusion and problems we are having. They are my fault 
>>>certainly not
Tom's.
>>> 
>>> The problems are not with the e-service per-se but with the
enrollment process. 
>>>I thought that the enrollment process had been
properly implemented in its test 
>>>mode some time ago and did not properly
vet the process prior to making the 
>>>announcement.  I apologize. I had been
concentration on getting the software 
>>>pieces together to display the
bulletins and BIC that I neglected to verify the 
>>>enrollment process.
>>>
>>> The issue is not as straight forward as some might like to think. It
involves 
>>>several different types of operating systems and security
protocols. 
>>>Architecturally, I understand it, but from a programming
perspective it is 
>>>beyond my skill level; which is why we are using Chris
at Mallorn to do the 
>>>implementation. Even for him there have been some
significant challenges. We are 
>>>woking on it, but we are only two. This
process does not lend itself to 
>>>collaborative development except in
professional environments with lots of 
>>>money.
>>> 
>>> I don't see in any
of the motions implementing emembership a requirement for 
>>>automatic
renewal using PayPal. I will look into it after we get past the first
>>>implementation phase. Certainly a nice thing but hardly a show stopper. I
would 
>>>also want to know that the Membership Secretary would want that.
There are 
>>>record keeping things that he needs. We also don't do that for
AIS paper 
>>>memberships subscribed to through PayPal.
>>> 
>>> As to how
fast the Daylily site responds. They are probably using an automatic
>>>system to generate IDs and passwords, require certain characteristics for
>>>passwords etc.. Then you have to have a system to regenerate passwords,
confirm 
>>>IDs send email to the address of record etc. Most big subscription
sites have 
>>>all that. All it takes is programmers, time, and money. It also
takes some 
>>>flexibility away from us like monitoring AIS membership for
judges training 
>>>requirements. Yeah we could probably figure out a way to
get the information out 
>>>of an automatic system but again - programming,
time, and money.
>>> 
>>> I am not saying that we cannot or won't do that, but
not now. If there is 
>>>someone in our ranks that has the programming skills
and is willing to donate 
>>>their time I would love to move all our services
onto one host. If you know of 
>>>someone with that considerable skill set,
please let me know.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Meanwhile, I have set up a temporary account
ID: Temporary  Password: Irises  
>>>that anyone may use. To get to the
emembers section go to the AIS website home 
>>>page (http://www.irises.org)
and click on the "Emembers" button on the right 
>>>hand side just above our
logo.
>>> 
>>> You will be able to access the online Bulletins and BIC. If you
select 
>>>Irisregister, you will be asked for the ID and PW again. That is
just the way it 
>>>is, at least for now. Don't bother commenting about it, we
will get that 
>>>eliminated when we can.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct
16, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Robert Pries wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Tom; I am pleased this is
being worked on. I would like to remind the group of 
>>>>some another
parameter that were supposed to be functional and does not seem to 
>>>>be
there. The one reason we made the Emembership for a year at a time was that
>>>>PayPal offers an option to have the payment automatically renewed when it
>>>>expires. Thus Three year memberships etc. are not necessary to have
membership 
>>>>continue. It seems this choice was left off the PayPal. 
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Tom Gormley"
<gormleygreenery@gmail.com>
>>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>> Sent:
Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:41:50 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>>> 
>>>> Bob & All,
>>>> You are correct that it should have happened within
hours if not minutes.
>>>> Unfortunately the news that it was ready to go was
optimistic at best. 
There
>>>> are still two or three components that need to
be fixed before the
>>>> emembership function is working. I am working with
John Jones to get these
>>>> resolved and apologize to those who believed what
we said. I'm hopeful that
>>>> these issues will be resolved this weekend.
>>>> Tom Gormley
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Robert Pries
>>>><robertpries@embarqmail.com>wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> My payment cleared
immediately and I got an acknowledgement from PayPal
>>>>> that the amount had
been paid immediately but it has been almost a week (I
>>>>> signed up when
John announced it) and no password or access. As a test I
>>>>> joined the
daylily Society. In seconds I recieved back a letter from their
>>>>>
president thanking me for joining and saying i could immediately access
>>>>>
their website. This is how this is supposed to work. Ironically before I
>>>>>
joined the Daylily society there was a warning that it might take a little
>>>>> time for the membership to be approved so i did not expect it for at
least 
>a
>>>>> couple of hours. But as I said within seconds I was perusing
their members
>>>>> site, another whole story. I had hopes we could bring the
Iris Society up 
>to
>>>>> the standards expected in todays world but that
does not seem possible.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>
From: "cheryl deaton" <region15kids@hotmail.com>
>>>>> To:
aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 9:34:12 PM
>>>>> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>>>> 
>>>>> More than likely you
will get the information from the AISMemSec once the
>>>>> payment has
cleared.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: irismom@nc.rr.com
>>>>>> To:
aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>>>>>
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:35:12 -0400
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I signed up for
E-membership on Wednesday; it's now Saturday. How do I
>>>>> get
>>>>>> the
userID to access my E-membership?
>>>>>> Susan Grigg
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
-----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org [mailto:
>>>>> owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of John Jones
>>>>>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:21 AM
>>>>>> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>>>> Subject: [AISdiscuss] Emembership
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Emembership is now
available. Interested subscribers can join via the AIS
>>>>>> PayPal page or
directly with the AIS Membership
>>>>>> Secretary. Emembership is separate
from the conventional AIS membership.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We are working on making
the current subscribers to irisregister.com
>>>>>> emembers but still have a
few snags to work through. Irisregister
>>>>>> subscribers will continue to
have full access to irisregister.com while
>>>>> we
>>>>>> fix this problem.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The news page on the AIS website says:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The AIS
announces a new membership service - Electronic Membership.
>>>>>> Emembership
is separate from the normal AIS membership. Emembers do not
>>>>>> receive
printed copies of the AIS Bulletins. Instead, they have access to
>>>>>>
online AIS Bulletins using an easy to use viewer. Emembers also have
>>>>>
access
>>>>>> to online viewing of The Basic Iris Culture booklet and
automatic access
>>>>> to
>>>>>> irisregister.com, the online iris
registration database. Addtitional
>>>>>> services may be made available in
the future. Click on Join Emembership
>>>>> to
>>>>>> become an Emember
online. Current subscribers to irisregister.com will
>>>>>> automatically be
made AIS Emembers after we work through a few glitches.
>>>>>> Emembers will
need the Adobe Flash Player to view the online
>>>>> publications.
>>>>>> The
Flash player is free and may be downloaded from
>>>>>>
http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
_____________________________
>>>>>> John Jones
>>>>>> Director, American Iris
Society
>>>>>> Chair, Electronic Services Committee
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Tom Gormley
>>>> P. O. Box 177, De Leon Springs, FL 32130
>>>> Phone &
Fax-386-277-2057
>>>> gormleygreenery@gmail.com
>>>> 
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>>>
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>>> 
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