Re: Youth Protection Policy and E Memberships

[Robert Pries <robertpries@embarqmail.com>]

Sounds like the youth protection policy we already have!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: "cheryl deaton" <region15kids@hotmail.com>
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 1:55:37 PM
Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Youth Protection Policy and E Memberships

Hi Kelly,
Thank goodness for a gen Y member, token or otherwise.  I am not suggesting
deleting Facebook "friends" if they are AIS Youth members, because they would
join under their own responsibility.  What I am saying is that  a club, having
a Facebook page to encourage everyone to learn more about the club,(and AIS),
would be in violation of the Youth Protection Policy AS IT IS NOW, if they
placed pictures of their youth members on the page identifying the youth
members by name, age and/or affiliation. If the page just showed young people
entering a show, planting iris or being in a garden, without identifying them,
and mentions that there are many activities for young people to engage in,
that's different and something that we want to encourage.  However, if the
page displayed pictures of AIS youth members and had captions like "Johnny
Jones of the Mid America Iris Society of Region X with his winning entry at
the show held last weekend", that's where I see a clear violation of our
current policy.  If the Facebook page is for members only, no problems.
Due to the emergence of more and more internet options, how should we refine
the Youth Protection Policy to reflect these options?
Cheryl

> From: kellydn@frontiernet.net
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Youth Protection Policy and E Memberships
> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 17:19:37 -0500
>
> As the token Gen Y here and a Facebook user since 2005 (the 'early' days of
> Facebook when it looked and worked nothing like it does now), I feel I need
> to weigh in here...
>
> With all respect, this whole issue is quite moot in the grand scheme of
> problems facing AIS. Re: John's points...
>
> > If the purpose of the Club Facebook page is to communicate with club
> > members (only) then having a youth club member listed as a "Friend"
> > would be restricted to club members who already know that they are
> > youth. The youth are of course responsible for their own profiles.
>
> Yes, agreed.
>
> > If the purpose of the Club Facebook account is also to communicate
> > with, or be accessible by, non-club members (e.g., the general
> > public) then I would say it would be inappropriate to list youth as
> > "Friends"
>
> No. In my non-voting opinion, a Facebook page manager has no obligation to
> control who 'likes' or 'fans' (though you are given the option of being
able
> to delete people from your page's fan roster...but really, deleting youth
> members as fans of AIS-related pages? Smacks at exactly the opposite of
> what we're trying to accomplish). However, if a club or society has a
> Facebook account (like I Kelly Norris or John Jones have 'personal'
> accounts), then there's a point. But....Facebook has made it quite clear
> that organizations, businesses and the like should only operate under pages
> and if set up in the way of 'personal' accounts are subject to deletion.
> Rule of thumb--businesses and organizations should not be represented as
> "people" with "accounts" but rather as entities with pages. The AIS page is
> appropriately setup as a page--no violation of Facebook rules there.
> Regarding AIS affiliates (or at least the ones I'm aware of), some are
setup
> as pages while others are setup as accounts.
>
> The absolute bottom line in all of this is that no matter who chooses to
use
> Facebook, age 10 or 50, privacy controls are in the hands of the user.
> Individual organizations and businesses are not responsible for managing
> privacy on behalf of users. Facebook is a grand marketing tool for building
> communities--let's recruit youth members (and other members) by doing so!
>
> --kdn
>
> Horticulturally,
>
> Kelly D. Norris
> Farm Manager, Rainbow Iris Farm
> Editor, Irises: The Bulletin of the American Iris Society
> Bedford & Ames, IA
> Zone 4b/5a
> Read my blog at: http://www.kellydnorris.com
> Check out my bookazine at: http://www.digthismag.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org [mailto:owner-aisdiscuss@aisboard.org]
> On Behalf Of cheryl deaton
> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 3:34 PM
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Youth Protection Policy and E Memberships
>
> Bob,
> I am clueless as to how Facebook works, but how would you know any 'friend'
> was a youth member? They are not identified in any way as a youth member,
> just an AIS member, so unless they identified themselves to you as a youth,
> you would not have access to that information. I agree that if the youth
> has
> a Facebook page and joins groups it is not the responsibility of AIS, but
> there is the possibility that it COULD happen and the sickos are out
> there...just check the website of Megan's Law!
> Cheryl
>
> > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 16:10:15 -0400
> > From: robertpries@embarqmail.com
> > To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> > Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Youth Protection Policy and E Memberships
> >
> > As keeper of the AIS facebook page, I am not aware of any youth that are
> friends. I do not seek out youth to join the page and if they did,
> presumably
> they would already have their own facebook page. The fact that they have
> connected to the AIS page should not be the responsibility of the AIS.
> Members
> of AIS could be terrible felons but I we do not have a responsibility to
> judge
> someone who wants to join. It is not AIS publishing data about someone, but
> someone putting data about thenselves out, and connecting it to our sites.
> The
> club sites, including AIS proper and the many affiliate sites are putting
> out
> information about club activities and iris, not information about
individual
> youths. To think there is a problem here seems like a really distorted idea
> of
> they way the world works. I do agree that youth should not be putting some
> things on their facebook pages but that is their responsibility and their
> parents not ours.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John I Jones" <jijones@usjoneses.com>
> > To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 3:42:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Youth Protection Policy and E Memberships
> >
> > Some initial thoughts on the Facebook issue:
> >
> > If the purpose of the Club Facebook page is to communicate with club
> > members (only) then having a youth club member listed as a "Friend"
> > would be restricted to club members who already know that they are
> > youth. The youth are of course responsible for their own profiles.
> >
> > If the purpose of the Club Facebook account is also to communicate
> > with, or be accessible by, non-club members (e.g., the general
> > public) then I would say it would be inappropriate to list youth as
> > "Friends"
> >
> > Be that as it may, there is always a risk associated with identifying
> > youth, and the most conservative position would be to not list any
> > youth as friends.
> >
> > I am sure that Bob Plank will be able to tell us what we need to do
> > to adequately protect ourselves.
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Oct 15, 2010, at 8:11 AM, cheryl deaton wrote:
> >
> > > Also, if an AIS Youth Member has a Facebook page, is this in
> > > violation of the AIS Youth Protection Policy if their club also has
> > > a Facebook
> > > account and the Youth members are listed as 'friends'?
> > >
> > > I think we need to address the Youth Protection Policy guidelines
> > > in light of
> > > the fact that many youth members are on the Internet for a variety
> > > of reasons
> > > and when the policy was implememted our reasoning was valid, but
> > > may not be at
> > > this time. I value your imput.
> > > Cheryl Deaton, AIS Youth Chair
> > >
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