Re: AIS Website

[Debra Strauss <ccb528001@rewrite.aisboard.org>]

I think the website is great and so is wiki. It just depends on what you want to find. Judy I agree wholeheartedly with you. Anything that will make navigation easier on either site will be excellent. John has worked hard and done a magnificent job of helping upgrade and improve AIS in many many ways. I think we can trust him to know what is needed. Also Bob has been outstanding with Twiki. Let's remember we are all working for the same goals and trust our volunteers to do their jobs. One person cannot do everything. Improvement and change are always ongoing. And always show your appreciation. Discussion is great but maybe we should read our comments aloud to ourselves before we send them so they don't sound harsh. 

Debbie Strauss 
debrastrauss@outlook.com
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> On Jun 4, 2014, at 7:15 AM, "Judy Keisling" <a3f86f581@rewrite.aisboard.org> wrote:
> 
> I agree that this change should be made.  What John is proposing will make
> navigating the site more user friendly.
> 
> Regarding the cost, while we could
> probably get some one to make this change at a reduced cost, from my working
> experience I can tell you that whenever you use a company/person other than
> the original developer to modify a website, application, program, etc. the
> seemingly lower cost turns into a higher cost and something usually breaks.
> As John points out - this is not a redesign, simply an upgrade (there is a
> difference).  And, as he also points out, the expense does not affect the AIS
> operating budget one way or another.  
> 
> I say, let's go for this change.
> 
> Judy
> Keisling 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 6:45 AM, Robert Pries
> <101p@rewrite.aisboard.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Cost is not my only concern. I would
> like to know what the topic arrangement of the left bar would be. You have
> suggested 4 extra topics, presumably rearranged from the topics that are
> already treed on the left bar now. Why donbt you tell us the new arrangement.
> If you know what you want to do it should be easy to present it as an outline.
> Then we could make a rational decision as to whether it is worth the cost and
> the effort. I see no reason to approve something nebulous since to do it you
> must know what it is you want to do.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John
> Jones" <100h@rewrite.aisboard.org>
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> Sent:
> Wednesday, June 4, 2014 2:15:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] AIS Website
> Everyone seems to be concerned the cost. 
> 
> Please note that I said "not to
> exceed" $1200. I also believe in planning for contingencies. The bid from the
> developer was $720. I added $480 for contingencies and additional changes that
> may up come up.
> 
> In any case the new Electronic Services Chair is going to
> have to deal with the current website until a new website (if authorized) is
> in place. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> John
> __________________ 
> John and Joanne Jones
> Registrar-Recorders, American Iris Society
> aisregistrar@irises.org
> 
> John
> Jones, Chairman, Electronic Services Committee
> aiselectronicsvcs@irises.org
> 35572 Linda Drive
> Fremont, CA 94536
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Jones" <100h@rewrite.aisboard.org>
>> To: <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] AIS Website
>> 
>> 
>> Well I am sorry, but your IT people are not graphic designers and
> frankly have no clue what all has to be done to the graphics to accommodate a
> longer menu list. The list code is custom designed to fit with our look and
> feel. The software used it up to date and from reputable companies.
>> 
>> You
> are correct the websites that Andi referenced are very pretty. It is also true
> that they don't have anywhere as much information to present as we do.
> Navigation is a significant problem and we provided a reasonable solution that
> is accessible on the home page and is most cases does not require going to
> another page to find where something is.
>> 
>> I never intended to "put my
> mark" on a website. I intended to present a website that reflected the style
> and needs of AIS, and despite one or two perennial detractors, did so in a
> manner that reflects the image the board wanted.
>> 
>> If the board wants a
> redesign, I am all for it, but I do not have the time to undertake the effort
> to incorporate a new structure and revise all the information that we present
> today. I am sure we will hear how all the information should be on the wiki,
> but the wiki is not the AIS, has a look that could be best described as
> confounding, and has its own significant difficulties for anyone trying to
> search for something.
>> 
>> If the board does not want to improve the current
> site with money from the ESC Restricted fund raised primarily by the Geek
> Dinner auctions, then that can be their decision. This effort would not affect
> the AIS General budget in any way.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> John
> __________________
>> John and Joanne Jones
>> Registrar-Recorders, American
> Iris Society
>> aisregistrar@irises.org
>> 
>> John Jones, Chairman, Electronic
> Services Committee
>> aiselectronicsvcs@irises.org
>> 
>> 35572 Linda Drive
> Fremont, CA 94536
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:46 PM, "Robert Pries
>> " <101p@rewrite.aisboard.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> I did some checking with some IT
> people. What John is proposing could be done
>>> at half the cost. And it
> actually could be done at the $60 I was suggesting if
>>> the website was
> running on todaybs state of the art software. But the
>>> website is outdated
> and making the changes suggested would actually cost about
>>> $600 keeping it
> running on the same static system.
>>> 
>>> I agree with Andi; the websites he
> displayed are GREAT!!!! Ours should look
>>> that good. But I do not think we
> have the personnel capable of making those
>>> changes. I do believe we should
> have the new electronics chair tackle this
>>> problem and not someone who is
> leaving. B  New people like to place their own
>>> mark on something and
> certainly there is a need.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Killingsworth" <102w@rewrite.aisboard.org>
>>> To:
> aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:07:10 PM
>>> Subject:
> Re: Fwd: RE: [AISdiscuss] AIS Website
>>> 
>>> I agree with Bob Pries that the
> price seems high to me - but admit I am no web
>>> site guru.B  Seems we should
> have some computer experts within our
>>> organization who could make small
> changes to the web site -- ok, this may not
>>> be a small change -- what do I
> know? - but again I think that's a lot of money
>>> honey.
>>> 
>>> Second, I
> agree with Andi that we should not rush into making changes for
>>> cosmetic
> reasons.B  Have there been complaints about the menus?B  Would Bob
>>> Pries
> ideas be better?
>>> I looked at all the web sites Andi suggested and wow, we
> are really have a
>>> model A ford website compared to those web sites.B  I can
> think of many great
>>> pictures that could fill the beginning page of the web
> site, like the web
>>> sites Andi suggested looking over, and yet our site has
> such a bland first
>>> page.
>>> 
>>> Third, I agree with Jim Morris that the new
> "electronic services chairperson"
>>> should be involved in this discussion.B
> The question is:B  Are the changes
>>> worth the money?
>>> 
>>> So, I guess I am
> saying I feel this needs more study and that if we are going
>>> to update the
> front page, maybe we could really update it to include a better
>>> visual
> picture of who we are. And, to me it makes no difference where the
>>> money is
> coming from, out of the left pocket or out of the right pocket, we
>>> are
> still looking at a lot of money at a time when the budget seems to be
> running over.
>>> 
>>> Ron Killingsworth, Director
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/3/2014 13:56,
> Michelle Snyder wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> Since I am traveling until
> late Thursday, I am forwarding the made and
>>> seconded motion for official
> discussion via my cell phone.
>>> Michelle
>>> 
>>> Sent using CloudMagic
> --------Forwarded message--------
>>> From: Susan Boyce <
> 100T@rewrite.aisboard.org >
>>> Date: Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 11:30 AM
>>> Subject:
> Fwd: RE: [AISdiscuss] AIS Website
>>> To: aisdiscuss < aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <blockquote>
>>> 
>>> I second the motion.
>>> Susan Boyce
>>> 
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>>> Subject: [AISdiscuss] AIS Website
>>>> Date:
> Tue, 3 Jun 2014 11:00:11 -0700
>>>> From: c95039e11@rewrite.aisboard.org
>>>> 
>>>> I move "That the AIS Board approve an upgrade to the AIS Website to
> increase
>>>> the number of menu items available on the left side area of the
> webpage.
>>> Such
>>>> upgrade not to exceed a cost of $1200.00, funding is to
> come from the
>>>> Electronic Services Restricted Fund.B  Such upgrade to be
> managed by the
>>>> Electronic Services Chair on behalf of AIS."
>>>> Cheryl
> Deaton
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