Re: AIS Website

["Robert Pries " <101p@rewrite.aisboard.org>]

I am not against the change, but the last time we changed most people found the titles of the left bar difficult to understand and as to what would be under each. It is not an easy task to create a title that represents what is under it. I would suggest that it just makes sense to let everyone see what the new proposed titles and their categories are so that if possible the best words could be chosen. In this case it would be better to review these words before we spend the money to insert them.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Judy Keisling" <a3f86f581@rewrite.aisboard.org>
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] AIS Website

I agree that this change should be made.  What John is proposing will make
navigating the site more user friendly.

Regarding the cost, while we could
probably get some one to make this change at a reduced cost, from my working
experience I can tell you that whenever you use a company/person other than
the original developer to modify a website, application, program, etc. the
seemingly lower cost turns into a higher cost and something usually breaks.
As John points out - this is not a redesign, simply an upgrade (there is a
difference).  And, as he also points out, the expense does not affect the AIS
operating budget one way or another.  

I say, let's go for this change.

Judy
Keisling 


On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 6:45 AM, Robert Pries
<101p@rewrite.aisboard.org> wrote:
  


Cost is not my only concern. I would
like to know what the topic arrangement of the left bar would be. You have
suggested 4 extra topics, presumably rearranged from the topics that are
already treed on the left bar now. Why donbt you tell us the new arrangement.
If you know what you want to do it should be easy to present it as an outline.
Then we could make a rational decision as to whether it is worth the cost and
the effort. I see no reason to approve something nebulous since to do it you
must know what it is you want to do.

----- Original Message -----
From: "John
Jones" <100h@rewrite.aisboard.org>
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Sent:
Wednesday, June 4, 2014 2:15:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] AIS Website
Everyone seems to be concerned the cost. 

Please note that I said "not to
exceed" $1200. I also believe in planning for contingencies. The bid from the
developer was $720. I added $480 for contingencies and additional changes that
may up come up.

In any case the new Electronic Services Chair is going to
have to deal with the current website until a new website (if authorized) is
in place. 

Thanks

John
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> ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jones" <100h@rewrite.aisboard.org>
> To: <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] AIS Website
> 
> 
> Well I am sorry, but your IT people are not graphic designers and
frankly have no clue what all has to be done to the graphics to accommodate a
longer menu list. The list code is custom designed to fit with our look and
feel. The software used it up to date and from reputable companies.
> 
> You
are correct the websites that Andi referenced are very pretty. It is also true
that they don't have anywhere as much information to present as we do.
Navigation is a significant problem and we provided a reasonable solution that
is accessible on the home page and is most cases does not require going to
another page to find where something is.
> 
> I never intended to "put my
mark" on a website. I intended to present a website that reflected the style
and needs of AIS, and despite one or two perennial detractors, did so in a
manner that reflects the image the board wanted.
> 
> If the board wants a
redesign, I am all for it, but I do not have the time to undertake the effort
to incorporate a new structure and revise all the information that we present
today. I am sure we will hear how all the information should be on the wiki,
but the wiki is not the AIS, has a look that could be best described as
confounding, and has its own significant difficulties for anyone trying to
search for something.
> 
> If the board does not want to improve the current
site with money from the ESC Restricted fund raised primarily by the Geek
Dinner auctions, then that can be their decision. This effort would not affect
the AIS General budget in any way.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> John
>
__________________
> John and Joanne Jones
> Registrar-Recorders, American
Iris Society
> aisregistrar@irises.org
> 
> John Jones, Chairman, Electronic
Services Committee
> aiselectronicsvcs@irises.org
> 
> 35572 Linda Drive
>
Fremont, CA 94536
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:46 PM, "Robert Pries
" <101p@rewrite.aisboard.org> wrote:
> 
>> I did some checking with some IT
people. What John is proposing could be done
>> at half the cost. And it
actually could be done at the $60 I was suggesting if
>> the website was
running on todaybs state of the art software. But the
>> website is outdated
and making the changes suggested would actually cost about
>> $600 keeping it
running on the same static system.
>> 
>> I agree with Andi; the websites he
displayed are GREAT!!!! Ours should look
>> that good. But I do not think we
have the personnel capable of making those
>> changes. I do believe we should
have the new electronics chair tackle this
>> problem and not someone who is
leaving. B  New people like to place their own
>> mark on something and
certainly there is a need.
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> 
>>
From: "Ron Killingsworth" <102w@rewrite.aisboard.org>
>> To:
aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:07:10 PM
>> Subject:
Re: Fwd: RE: [AISdiscuss] AIS Website
>> 
>> I agree with Bob Pries that the
price seems high to me - but admit I am no web
>> site guru.B  Seems we should
have some computer experts within our
>> organization who could make small
changes to the web site -- ok, this may not
>> be a small change -- what do I
know? - but again I think that's a lot of money
>> honey.
>> 
>> Second, I
agree with Andi that we should not rush into making changes for
>> cosmetic
reasons.B  Have there been complaints about the menus?B  Would Bob
>> Pries
ideas be better?
>> I looked at all the web sites Andi suggested and wow, we
are really have a
>> model A ford website compared to those web sites.B  I can
think of many great
>> pictures that could fill the beginning page of the web
site, like the web
>> sites Andi suggested looking over, and yet our site has
such a bland first
>> page.
>> 
>> Third, I agree with Jim Morris that the new
"electronic services chairperson"
>> should be involved in this discussion.B 
The question is:B  Are the changes
>> worth the money?
>> 
>> So, I guess I am
saying I feel this needs more study and that if we are going
>> to update the
front page, maybe we could really update it to include a better
>> visual
picture of who we are. And, to me it makes no difference where the
>> money is
coming from, out of the left pocket or out of the right pocket, we
>> are
still looking at a lot of money at a time when the budget seems to be
>>
running over.
>> 
>> Ron Killingsworth, Director
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/3/2014 13:56,
Michelle Snyder wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> Since I am traveling until
late Thursday, I am forwarding the made and
>> seconded motion for official
discussion via my cell phone.
>> Michelle
>> 
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>> Date: Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 11:30 AM
>> Subject:
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>> To: aisdiscuss < aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
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>> 
>> <blockquote>
>> 
>> I second the motion.
>> Susan Boyce
>> 
>>>
To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>> Subject: [AISdiscuss] AIS Website
>>> Date:
Tue, 3 Jun 2014 11:00:11 -0700
>>> From: c95039e11@rewrite.aisboard.org
>>>
>>> I move "That the AIS Board approve an upgrade to the AIS Website to
>>
increase
>>> the number of menu items available on the left side area of the
webpage.
>> Such
>>> upgrade not to exceed a cost of $1200.00, funding is to
come from the
>>> Electronic Services Restricted Fund.B  Such upgrade to be
managed by the
>>> Electronic Services Chair on behalf of AIS."
>>> Cheryl
Deaton
>>> 
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