My comments below.
On Jan 16, 2010, at 3:01 PM, R. Dennis Hager wrote:
John,
I am not a copyright attorney, but you raise an interesting
point. Your question may be about "fair use", but the real
zinger is that the AIS Board may be representing both sides on
this issue. Sounds like a personality disorder to me.
I would first ask a few hypothetical questions:
1. If someone posted registration information to an unrelated
WIKI or published it in any other way, what course of action,
what action should or would the Board take?
If the use of the information were for commercial purposes, then
the Board should send a cease and desist letter. If the use
persisted legal action for copyright violation could be
initiated. (We may in fact have such a case with another entity)
2. Do we know for a fact that the information is being entered
from the electronic checklist as a copy & paste, or is it being
keyed in from a hard copy?
Only by inference. Some of the docents were already subscribed to
irisregister, others have been subscribed specifically because
they wanted to be docents. I am not sure it matters, if it is
copied either way it is a use of the information. It could have
the same effect on the sales of the hard copy versions as well. I
suppose there could be some quirks in the information that could
tell us but that would take a great deal of effort.
3. With the development of the WIKI, by what amount should we
expect electronic checklist revenues to decrease?
I don't have an analytical way to judge that but I think that most
of the 1 year and 3 year subscriptions would dwindle. As of my
last report to the Board that would comprise of 219 out of 280
subscribers or 78%. Certainly not all would abandon their
subscriptions.
4. Has anyone addressed ways that the WIKI could generate revenue?
Bob has always maintained (properly in my opinion) that the Wiki
should be free and accessible to all/
5. Has anyone polled electronic checklist subscribers to see
how they feel about it? If so, how did they phrase the question?
No
BTW, my subscription to the electronic checklist expires in
2015. Love the electronic checklist. Love the WIKI. Want both to
include as much accurate information as possible.
Thanks.
Dennis Hager
----- Original Message ----- From: "John I Jones"
<jijones@usjoneses.com>
To: <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 1:25 AM
Subject: [AISdiscuss] Irisregister and the Wiki
I have been pondering an issue for some time and feel that it
is time to bring it before the board to make sure that what is
happening is what the board wants,
The issue is what irisregister information should be allowed in
the Wiki.
The Wiki is moving forward and entries are being made as you
read this. I has become apparent that people entering the irises
into the Wiki in addition to what ever description and pictures
they personally add, are also copying the full text entry for
that iris from the irisregister into the Wiki entry.
If this is what the Board wants then so be it, but I think that
we should consider the impact of such action.
The irisregister has been a significant source of revenue for
AIS since its inception garnering over $16000.00 since 2003—
almost $2300.00 per year. The effect of putting the
irisregister information in the Wiki is to give the information
away for free to anyone (since the Wiki will be open to anyone
at no cost).
There are also lots of people that have paid for 3, 5, and 10
year subscriptions to irisregister who will now see that we are
giving that information away for free.
It is true that irisregister will still have some advantages
over the wiki.
- the search engine has greater flexibility and control than the
Wiki
- Irisregister gets updated with new and corrected information
particularly on older irises
- Irisregister has the reserved names included in its database
People use irisregister primarily for:
- Getting descriptions of irises for sales or their own database
(s) - Wiki will provide the same
Other (but far less) uses for irisregister:
- doing research on parentage - Wiki probably won't be able to
do this as well
- doing name searches for new introductions - Wiki won't do
this as well because it will lack the reserved names
The irisregister information can be kept out of the Wiki
because every entry to the Wiki must be reviewed by the
"docents" for propriety and they can easily recognize an
irisregister entry. The Wiki has some 4000 entries already,
but that should not be a major effort to correct. I am sure
that not all of the entries have irisregister excerpts in them.
The Wiki's real claim to fame is that it has pictures (up to 20
per iris) and I applaud its value in that regard. I am, in
fact, against having pictures as part of the official AIS
registration primarily because of the inconsistency of
photographic and display technologies and vagaries, and in that
regard Wiki provides a valuable resource. The full registration
descriptions are of limited additional value in the Wiki unless
people want to copy them out for their own purposes.
The Wiki will also have some advantages because the newest
introductions can be placed in the Wiki whereas there is a
delay in placing the newest R&I information in irisregister.
I think the Board needs to proactively decide what, if any,
irisregister information should be allowed in the Wiki. I think
we need to consider the monetary impact on the AIS through loss
of use of the irisregister. No I don't know the magnitude of
that impact, but I can tell you that the majority of
irisregister use is to get descriptions.
John
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