Re: [AISdiscuss] AIS Photo contest

[Paul W Gossett <pwgossett@juno.com>]

I agree with Roy that the concerns have been addressed and that the
modifications should be made and that we proceed with the contest.  I
also support the contest and Thank Kitty for doing an excellent job with
putting it together. 

 Paul

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:22:20 -0500 "E. Roy Epperson"
<kirklee@triad.rr.com> writes:
> I have not earlier joined in this discussion as I am less than 
> knowledgeable
> about photography.  It appears to me that the concerns of several 
> have been
> addressed and that the contest should proceed as modified in this 
> specific
> communication from Kitty and responded to by Jill.  I support this 
> effort.
> 
> Roy
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jill Bonino" <aissecjill@earthlink.net>
> To: <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] AIS Photo contest
> 
> 
> > HI ALL AND KITTY....MY COMMENTS ARE IN CAPITAL LETTERS UNDER EACH 
> NUMBERED
> > PARAGRAPH....JILL BONINO
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <loberg@adelphia.net>
> > To: <AISDiscuss@aisboard.org>
> > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:01 PM
> > Subject: [AISdiscuss] AIS Photo contest
> >
> >
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > >    I apologize that this is coming to you several weeks after 
> Jeanne
> > > forwarded the first post to AISconfer on the Photo Contest.   
> Jeanne and
> I
> > > have had email correspondence back and forth numerous times, and 
> I have
> > > received copies of individual messages from several Board 
> members or
> > > officers.
> > > However, both Jeanne and I only suspected yesterday, confirmed 
> today by
> > > phone
> > > with John Jones, that my responses that I sent to AISconfer were 
> not
> being
> > > posted on AISconfer.
> > >
> > >    I am going through the comments I received and have my 
> thoughts, and
> > > some
> > > questions or requests to all of you:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > #1 Adding a third judge to the panel.    I confess the reason I 
> was
> adding
> > > stickers to the back and numbering the photos, was for ease of
> organizing,
> > > tracking, and scoring.   I anticipate quite a few photos, and 
> the more
> > > organized I can prepare them so that the judges can review all 
> that I
> send
> > > them, in a single  weeks time before it's forwarded to the next 
> judge,
> was
> > > primarily on my mind.    However, I understand the point for 
> having 3
> > > judges
> > > other than myself.   When Jeanne Plank, Bob and I discussed this
> project,
> > > I
> > > mentioned the fact that we could have so many photos that it 
> would be
> very
> > > difficult to send 250 photos to all of the judges, and have any
> meaningful
> > > scoring upon return. and no clear winner.   I plan to pre-screen 
> the
> > > photos,
> > > using some sort of local panel. and try to pick the obvious 
> better
> photos,
> > > and
> > > forward just the top of each group for the final panel.    I 
> will
> develop
> > > and
> > > ask the judges to use some sort of point scoring, such as 10, 9, 
> 9, 8,
> 8,
> > > 7,
> > > 6. etc. and then when the scores are received, I will add all 
> the scores
> > > and
> > > see who is on top.   If three judges select from 250 photos, I 
> predict
> > > they
> > > are likely to NOT select the same top photo(s), and it would 
> result in
> NO
> > > clear winner(s).
> > >
> > >    If the judges were all sitting in my house doing the judging, 
> we
> could
> > > have discussions and work towards a consensus, but the idea came 
> forth
> to
> > > have
> > > judges from through USA, which means I have to forward the 
> photos by
> Fed.
> > > Ex,
> > > and have a judging method which will result in a clear winner.   
>  I hope
> > > you
> > > can understand why I feel I need to narrow down the group of 
> photos to a
> > > manageable group, by using a smaller pre-screening panel 
> locally.   I
> > > honestly
> > > don't think I can say, in advance, that we will prescreen to a 
> specific
> > > number, I'm going to have to wait and see.  We will have the 
> option of
> > > holding
> > > ANY photo over to be judged in any following contest.
> >
> > KITTY.  THIS IS FINE WITH ME....JILL
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > #2  we should put a sentence in the application letter that 
> states that
> > > the
> > > photographers should not write or attach labels of any kind to 
> the back
> of
> > > the photos.   Because there is limited space in the AIS bulletin 
> for all
> > > the
> > > rules, I'm trying not to add any more instructions than 
> necessary.   I
> > > think I
> > > can handle this without making it an instruction.  In my 
> experience,
> most
> > > photographers won't write on the back.   For the few who might, 
> I can
> take
> > > a
> > > simple white label, and paste it over whatever is written, to 
> cover it
> up.
> > >
> > > THIS IS FINE TOO...JILL
> > >
> > > #3 Shouldn't the line in the rules that says "Any entrant who is 
> not a
> > > member
> > > of the American Iris  Society will automatically win a single 
> annual
> > > membership to A.I.S." read instead "Any winner who is not a 
> member of
> the
> > > American Iris Society will."    Gary is CORRECT, I appreciate 
> his eyes
> > > catching that oversight.   I had meant to say "any winner", and 
> I will
> > > correct
> > > this.     And it would be fair to extend the membership for any 
> existing
> > > member, so I'd like to incorporate that, and strike the part 
> "who is not
> a
> > > member of AIS".
> > >
> > >YES.  THIS IS GOOD AND INCLUDES EVERYONE WHO MIGHT WIN...EITHER A 
> MEMBER
> OR
> > >A NON-MEMBER.  JILL
> > >
> > > #4 "And then if we do that, what do we do if a life member 
> wins".   I am
> > > stuck, I haven't yet thought of an idea for what to do for life 
> members,
> > > and
> > > would appreciate ideas on this.   Shall we offer a membership in 
> one of
> > > the
> > > Sections?
> > >
> > >THIS IS OK TOO.  JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, ALL WINNERS WILL RECEIVE A 
> NEW
> IRIS
> > >INTRO FROM THE PORTLAND GUEST BEDS, PLUS A ONE-YEAR AIS 
> MEMBERSHIP IF THE
> > >WINNER IS A NON-MEMBER , AN EXTENSION OF ONE-YEAR TO A CURRENT 
> AIS
> MEMBER'S
> > >MEMBERSHIP, UNLESS THEY ARE ALREADY A LIFE MEMBER, IN WHICH CASE 
> THEY
> WILL
> > >GET A MEMBERSHIP FOR ONE YEAR  IN THE SECTION OF THEIR  CHOICE.  
> RUNNERS
> UP
> > >WILL RECEIVE A 2004-05 INTRODUCTION.....JILL
> > >
> > > #5 "I think we should acknowledge the receipt of the photos by 
> email".
> I
> > > would like to handle this differently.   There is about a one 
> month
> period
> > > between receiving the final photos, scoring, and then being able 
> to
> return
> > > photos to those who requested them.   It would save ME work, if 
> I was to
> > > ask
> > > those who want an acknowledgement of receipt of photos, to 
> include a
> SASE
> > > envelope. the same concept as those who want their photos 
> returned.  It
> > > will
> > > keep costs down for the contest.    If there is no objection, I 
> have
> > > changed
> > > the contest statement to "Please provide AIS with a stamped, 
> addressed
> > > return
> > > envelope if you want an acknowledgement of the receipt of 
> photos, and an
> > > additional SASE envelope if you want the photo(s) returned."
> > >
> > > THIS IS GREAT.  ACKNOWLEDGEMENT WAS MY POINT...HOW IS WHATEVER 
> WORKS
> BEST.
> > > JILL
> > >
> > > #6 "should we put the deadline to August 31st so it can also be 
> included
> > > in
> > > the July Bulletin".   I do have one thought pertaining to this 
> idea, and
> I
> > > need your feedback please.   For the purposes of getting it 
> announced
> > > twice, I
> > > have no problem.  My concern has to do with the timing of the 
> shipment
> of
> > > the
> > > rhizomes.   If the deadline is pushed to August 31st, 
> prescreening and
> > > routing
> > > the photos via Fed Ex to 3 judges is going to take more than 4 
> weeks.
> > > That
> > > means the earliest winners are selected is October 1st, if that. 
>   If
> > > rhizomes
> > > from the convention are held out of the ground, they probably 
> are not
> > > going to
> > > look the best if held that long.   A bigger concern, is if any 
> contest
> > > winner
> > > in the northern States. Idaho, Wisconsin, or even Canada, can 
> afford to
> > > plant
> > > rhizomes mid to late October (upon receipt), and have a good 
> likelihood
> > > than
> > > enough root growth will occur such that they won't lose the 
> plant in the
> > > Winter.    What do you all think?
> >
> > I AGREE WITH JIM.  I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP THE AUGUST 31 DEADLINE 
> TO GIVE
> > PEOPLE THE MAX TIME TO PARTICIPATE.  IN REGION 15, THE HOST CLUB 
> DIGS THE
> > GUEST IRIS FROM THAT YEAR'S REGION TREK IN AUGUST AND SEND THEM 
> OUT TO THE
> > REGION CLUBS FOR FUNDRAISING AUCTIONS.  SOMETIMES THESE AUCTIONS 
> TAKE
> PLACE
> > TWO MONTHS AFTER THE IRISES ARE DUG.  YES, THEY ARE NOT IN THE 
> BEST SHAPE,
> > BUT CAN BE POTTED....AND HOW MANY OF THESE ARE WE GOING TO HAVE?  
> PERHAPS
> > NOT THAT MANY....JILL
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > #7 "Are there to be a total (or maximum) of 10 winners (one 
> adult in
> each
> > > category and one youth in each category."
> > >
> > >    With Gary's question on how many categories, for #6 youth I 
> had
> > > intended
> > > just one youth category.   I plan to change the wording to 
> "Youth, any
> > > photo
> > > with irises".
> > >
> > > I AGREE WITH ONE YOUTH WINNER IN THE YOUTH CATEGORY, NOT A YOUTH 
> WINNER
> IS
> > > EACH OF THE CONTEST CATEGORIES...JILL
> > >
> > > #8 ").  I think we need to have some flexibility on the 
> categories...
> If
> > > we
> > > only have 10 entries,"  I agree in that I want to have 
> flexibility.    I
> > > expect to have hundreds of entries. but there is no reason why 
> the
> judges
> > > couldn't withhold awards, at their discretion, if no photo(s) 
> were
> worthy
> > > of
> > > an award in any particular category.   John Ludi has sent me the
> following
> > > message recently, so I believe we have the rhizomes needed for 
> our six
> > > contest
> > > winners.
> > >
> > >     "At our convention planning meeting last Saturday, it was 
> suggested
> > > besides a 2006 introduction to the winner of each category, that 
> we also
> > > award
> > > a recent introduction (2004-2005) to the runner up. Our local
> hybridizers
> > > have
> > > indicated they will provide 2006 intros to support the contest.  
>  John"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Those are my thoughts.   Again I am sorry my earlier responses 
> didn't
> make
> > > it
> > > to AISconfer.  I understand that our timeframe for getting this 
> to Bruce
> > > Filardi is now tight.  Will it be possible for everyone to get 
> their
> final
> > > comments to me within one week. by Jan. 30th?   I'd appreciate 
> it very
> > > much,
> > > and thanks for your earlier comments.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Kitty Loberg
> > >
> > > 
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