Re: [AISdiscuss] AIS Photo contest

["E. Roy Epperson" <kirklee@triad.rr.com>]

I have not earlier joined in this discussion as I am less than knowledgeable
about photography.  It appears to me that the concerns of several have been
addressed and that the contest should proceed as modified in this specific
communication from Kitty and responded to by Jill.  I support this effort.

Roy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jill Bonino" <aissecjill@earthlink.net>
To: <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] AIS Photo contest


> HI ALL AND KITTY....MY COMMENTS ARE IN CAPITAL LETTERS UNDER EACH NUMBERED
> PARAGRAPH....JILL BONINO
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <loberg@adelphia.net>
> To: <AISDiscuss@aisboard.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:01 PM
> Subject: [AISdiscuss] AIS Photo contest
>
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> >    I apologize that this is coming to you several weeks after Jeanne
> > forwarded the first post to AISconfer on the Photo Contest.   Jeanne and
I
> > have had email correspondence back and forth numerous times, and I have
> > received copies of individual messages from several Board members or
> > officers.
> > However, both Jeanne and I only suspected yesterday, confirmed today by
> > phone
> > with John Jones, that my responses that I sent to AISconfer were not
being
> > posted on AISconfer.
> >
> >    I am going through the comments I received and have my thoughts, and
> > some
> > questions or requests to all of you:
> >
> >
> >
> > #1 Adding a third judge to the panel.    I confess the reason I was
adding
> > stickers to the back and numbering the photos, was for ease of
organizing,
> > tracking, and scoring.   I anticipate quite a few photos, and the more
> > organized I can prepare them so that the judges can review all that I
send
> > them, in a single  weeks time before it's forwarded to the next judge,
was
> > primarily on my mind.    However, I understand the point for having 3
> > judges
> > other than myself.   When Jeanne Plank, Bob and I discussed this
project,
> > I
> > mentioned the fact that we could have so many photos that it would be
very
> > difficult to send 250 photos to all of the judges, and have any
meaningful
> > scoring upon return. and no clear winner.   I plan to pre-screen the
> > photos,
> > using some sort of local panel. and try to pick the obvious better
photos,
> > and
> > forward just the top of each group for the final panel.    I will
develop
> > and
> > ask the judges to use some sort of point scoring, such as 10, 9, 9, 8,
8,
> > 7,
> > 6. etc. and then when the scores are received, I will add all the scores
> > and
> > see who is on top.   If three judges select from 250 photos, I predict
> > they
> > are likely to NOT select the same top photo(s), and it would result in
NO
> > clear winner(s).
> >
> >    If the judges were all sitting in my house doing the judging, we
could
> > have discussions and work towards a consensus, but the idea came forth
to
> > have
> > judges from through USA, which means I have to forward the photos by
Fed.
> > Ex,
> > and have a judging method which will result in a clear winner.    I hope
> > you
> > can understand why I feel I need to narrow down the group of photos to a
> > manageable group, by using a smaller pre-screening panel locally.   I
> > honestly
> > don't think I can say, in advance, that we will prescreen to a specific
> > number, I'm going to have to wait and see.  We will have the option of
> > holding
> > ANY photo over to be judged in any following contest.
>
> KITTY.  THIS IS FINE WITH ME....JILL
> >
> >
> >
> > #2  we should put a sentence in the application letter that states that
> > the
> > photographers should not write or attach labels of any kind to the back
of
> > the photos.   Because there is limited space in the AIS bulletin for all
> > the
> > rules, I'm trying not to add any more instructions than necessary.   I
> > think I
> > can handle this without making it an instruction.  In my experience,
most
> > photographers won't write on the back.   For the few who might, I can
take
> > a
> > simple white label, and paste it over whatever is written, to cover it
up.
> >
> > THIS IS FINE TOO...JILL
> >
> > #3 Shouldn't the line in the rules that says "Any entrant who is not a
> > member
> > of the American Iris  Society will automatically win a single annual
> > membership to A.I.S." read instead "Any winner who is not a member of
the
> > American Iris Society will."    Gary is CORRECT, I appreciate his eyes
> > catching that oversight.   I had meant to say "any winner", and I will
> > correct
> > this.     And it would be fair to extend the membership for any existing
> > member, so I'd like to incorporate that, and strike the part "who is not
a
> > member of AIS".
> >
> >YES.  THIS IS GOOD AND INCLUDES EVERYONE WHO MIGHT WIN...EITHER A MEMBER
OR
> >A NON-MEMBER.  JILL
> >
> > #4 "And then if we do that, what do we do if a life member wins".   I am
> > stuck, I haven't yet thought of an idea for what to do for life members,
> > and
> > would appreciate ideas on this.   Shall we offer a membership in one of
> > the
> > Sections?
> >
> >THIS IS OK TOO.  JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, ALL WINNERS WILL RECEIVE A NEW
IRIS
> >INTRO FROM THE PORTLAND GUEST BEDS, PLUS A ONE-YEAR AIS MEMBERSHIP IF THE
> >WINNER IS A NON-MEMBER , AN EXTENSION OF ONE-YEAR TO A CURRENT AIS
MEMBER'S
> >MEMBERSHIP, UNLESS THEY ARE ALREADY A LIFE MEMBER, IN WHICH CASE THEY
WILL
> >GET A MEMBERSHIP FOR ONE YEAR  IN THE SECTION OF THEIR  CHOICE.  RUNNERS
UP
> >WILL RECEIVE A 2004-05 INTRODUCTION.....JILL
> >
> > #5 "I think we should acknowledge the receipt of the photos by email".
I
> > would like to handle this differently.   There is about a one month
period
> > between receiving the final photos, scoring, and then being able to
return
> > photos to those who requested them.   It would save ME work, if I was to
> > ask
> > those who want an acknowledgement of receipt of photos, to include a
SASE
> > envelope. the same concept as those who want their photos returned.  It
> > will
> > keep costs down for the contest.    If there is no objection, I have
> > changed
> > the contest statement to "Please provide AIS with a stamped, addressed
> > return
> > envelope if you want an acknowledgement of the receipt of photos, and an
> > additional SASE envelope if you want the photo(s) returned."
> >
> > THIS IS GREAT.  ACKNOWLEDGEMENT WAS MY POINT...HOW IS WHATEVER WORKS
BEST.
> > JILL
> >
> > #6 "should we put the deadline to August 31st so it can also be included
> > in
> > the July Bulletin".   I do have one thought pertaining to this idea, and
I
> > need your feedback please.   For the purposes of getting it announced
> > twice, I
> > have no problem.  My concern has to do with the timing of the shipment
of
> > the
> > rhizomes.   If the deadline is pushed to August 31st, prescreening and
> > routing
> > the photos via Fed Ex to 3 judges is going to take more than 4 weeks.
> > That
> > means the earliest winners are selected is October 1st, if that.   If
> > rhizomes
> > from the convention are held out of the ground, they probably are not
> > going to
> > look the best if held that long.   A bigger concern, is if any contest
> > winner
> > in the northern States. Idaho, Wisconsin, or even Canada, can afford to
> > plant
> > rhizomes mid to late October (upon receipt), and have a good likelihood
> > than
> > enough root growth will occur such that they won't lose the plant in the
> > Winter.    What do you all think?
>
> I AGREE WITH JIM.  I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP THE AUGUST 31 DEADLINE TO GIVE
> PEOPLE THE MAX TIME TO PARTICIPATE.  IN REGION 15, THE HOST CLUB DIGS THE
> GUEST IRIS FROM THAT YEAR'S REGION TREK IN AUGUST AND SEND THEM OUT TO THE
> REGION CLUBS FOR FUNDRAISING AUCTIONS.  SOMETIMES THESE AUCTIONS TAKE
PLACE
> TWO MONTHS AFTER THE IRISES ARE DUG.  YES, THEY ARE NOT IN THE BEST SHAPE,
> BUT CAN BE POTTED....AND HOW MANY OF THESE ARE WE GOING TO HAVE?  PERHAPS
> NOT THAT MANY....JILL
> >
> >
> >
> > #7 "Are there to be a total (or maximum) of 10 winners (one adult in
each
> > category and one youth in each category."
> >
> >    With Gary's question on how many categories, for #6 youth I had
> > intended
> > just one youth category.   I plan to change the wording to "Youth, any
> > photo
> > with irises".
> >
> > I AGREE WITH ONE YOUTH WINNER IN THE YOUTH CATEGORY, NOT A YOUTH WINNER
IS
> > EACH OF THE CONTEST CATEGORIES...JILL
> >
> > #8 ").  I think we need to have some flexibility on the categories...
If
> > we
> > only have 10 entries,"  I agree in that I want to have flexibility.    I
> > expect to have hundreds of entries. but there is no reason why the
judges
> > couldn't withhold awards, at their discretion, if no photo(s) were
worthy
> > of
> > an award in any particular category.   John Ludi has sent me the
following
> > message recently, so I believe we have the rhizomes needed for our six
> > contest
> > winners.
> >
> >     "At our convention planning meeting last Saturday, it was suggested
> > besides a 2006 introduction to the winner of each category, that we also
> > award
> > a recent introduction (2004-2005) to the runner up. Our local
hybridizers
> > have
> > indicated they will provide 2006 intros to support the contest.   John"
> >
> >
> >
> > Those are my thoughts.   Again I am sorry my earlier responses didn't
make
> > it
> > to AISconfer.  I understand that our timeframe for getting this to Bruce
> > Filardi is now tight.  Will it be possible for everyone to get their
final
> > comments to me within one week. by Jan. 30th?   I'd appreciate it very
> > much,
> > and thanks for your earlier comments.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kitty Loberg
> >
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