Re: Where Should We Be Discussing Topics LikeCAPS?

[Wayne Messer <6d200f2f1@rewrite.aisboard.org>]

Hi Ron,

I think I propagated a misunderstanding on my part.  While anyone can see
the AISDiscuss archives and follow along that way, turns out they can NOT
post.  If non-subscribers want something posted, they need to have a
subscriber post it.

Please correct me if I'm still off on how this works.

Regards,

Wayne Messer



On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Ron Killingsworth <102w@rewrite.aisboard.org
> wrote:

>  I really do not like the idea of just anyone being allowed on the AIS
> DISCUSS discussion group.  It is for AIS business.  I suggest that anyone
> attending a board meeting be offered the opportunity to become part of the
> discussion group -- *but they have to attend at least one entire board
> meeting to show they are really interested in the business of AIS.*
> Otherwise people who never bother with the business of AIS can join the
> discussion and just jump in with their two cents.
>
> Maybe we should have another discussion group that is open to any and all
> and is not just for AIS business.
>
> I know what opinions do on this discussion group, so, OK, let me have it!
>
> Ron Killingsworth
>
>
> On 7/31/2014 18:56, John Jones wrote:
>
> Wayne,
>
> Certainly list the link in news and notes. But note that no one can post to the archives. Only messages that are sent to AISDiscuss by those authorized to be on the list go onto the list.
>
> I think you misunderstood when I said : "I think we SHOULD allow anyone subscribe to AISDiscuss that wants to."
> Current AIS policy does not allow that. (it used to allow anyone to post, but the board decided to change to the current policy)
>
> I don't know when the next News and notes is going out but I could write up a little blurb about the archives
>
>
> John
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> On Jul 31, 2014, at 3:58 PM, Wayne Messer <6d200f2f1@rewrite.aisboard.org> <6d200f2f1@rewrite.aisboard.org> wrote:
>
>
>  Thank you John,
>
> I was aware that AISDiscuss has archives and checked them to see what type
> of topics we had considered in the last year.  Do we publicize the
> archives?  I don't remember how I found out about them; I suspect it came
> up in some search I was doing.
>
> If we do not publicize the archives and that anyone can post to it, would
> you like us to?  We can certainly put a link to it in News & Notes
> readily.  And the Irises Bulletin could have an article and maybe some of
> the topics.
>
> Regards,
>
> Wayne Messer
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:17 AM, John Jones <100h@rewrite.aisboard.org> <100h@rewrite.aisboard.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>  Hi all,
>
> Just some clarification:
>
> AISDiscuss goes to Board members, committee chairs AND
> RVPs, Section and Cooperating Societies.
>
> I should also say that it is up to individuals and societies to let the
> AIS Secretary know when personnel or contact information changes so we can
> have a list with up-to-date contact information.
>
> We also have an RVP list and and Affiliates list that can be used to send
> out mesages. But again they are only as good as the contact information for
> them.
>
> Additionally the archives of AISDiscuss, located at aisboard.org, are
> open to anyone who cares to go there, no password or ID required. I know of
> several people that routinely review the messages there.
>
> However Janet is certainly correct that it is up to the individual to pass
> information along to anyone who they think might be interested, although
> that happens with varying degrees of enthusiasm.
>
> There are also other email lists: iris@hort.net, iris-photos, sibrob,
> spaceagerobin, iris-species, and others that could be used to solicit ideas
> from. (Yea I know, dangling preposition - LOL)
>
> I think we should allow anyone subscribe to AISDiscuss that wants to. We
> should welcome comments from any source. We may not agree with or use all
> of the ideas, but you never know where the new idea will come from. I know
> occasionally we have an inappropriate post or someone thinks they can
> really send an anonymous text message, but you just dismiss that sort of
> thing considering the source.
>
> If posting relevant parts of the CAPS reports on the AIS blog would
> solicit some comments, I think it would be worth it.
>
> John
>
>
> On Jul 31, 2014, at 8:04 AM, "Janet Smith" <4f80107e1@rewrite.aisboard.org> <4f80107e1@rewrite.aisboard.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>  1. Not everyone can afford to got to conventions or fall board
> meetings.
> 2. AISDiscuss only goes to Board members and committee chairs, so
> your audience is limited.
> 3. Many RVP's are silent to their affiliates, so the word does not
> get out to them.
> 4. The Directors in the Regions are even more silent to the
> affiliates they oversee, so the word does not get out.
> 5. It is not in the IRISES Bulletin, so...
> 6. Not in your Newsletter.....  But that is only if they have a
> computer.  For those members who do not have a computer they are left
> out.
> 7. Facebook and Blog are not the place for this.
>
> I keep hearing we should-----when am I going to hear ---- its done!
>
> Janet Smith
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: 101p@rewrite.aisboard.org
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Where Should We Be Discussing Topics
> LikeCAPS?
> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:30:52 -0400 (EDT)
>
>
>  Wayne you are correct in that AIS Discuss is not exactly the venue of
> choice for continued discussion. Since I was commissioned by the
> board to attend and report I wanted to give an overview to the
> society. Further discussion of for example of the copyright issue
> will occur in the intellectual property committee. Continued
> discussion of what we can do for the future to improve the society
> will occur in the strategic planning committee.
>
> I decided it was important for everyone to know of our being a part
> of CAPS for several reasons. Much of what the board does is not known
> throughout the organization. This is not because it is in closed
> board meetings but because few other than board members attend board
> meetings. Secondly I wanted to get some information out so that board
> members and other parties could do their homework. If one has a
> chance to contemplate these issues before the fall meeting the
> discussion can be much more productive. And third I know there are
> very creative members who are not on the board that may be able to
> offer totally new perspectives on these problems.
>
> The issues involved in whether we succeed in making it to our hundred
> birthday in 6 years as a robust AIS are issues that should be thought
> about at all levels, from affiliates to regions to national and to
> each section. Despite the fact that each of these units functions
> quite independently we are also quite dependent on them all working
> together. While the wiki by definition is a collaboration platform
> perhaps half of the officers of all of these groups are even
> registered as wiki users so that they could post.
> Bob
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wayne Messer" <6d200f2f1@rewrite.aisboard.org> <6d200f2f1@rewrite.aisboard.org>
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:53:10 PM
> Subject: [AISdiscuss] Where Should We Be Discussing Topics Like CAPS?
>
> Bob's ongoing reports on CAPS and initial concerns about limited
> response
> make me wonder:  Is AISDiscuss the best place to have some of these
> discussions?  I've only been on AISDiscuss for a year; so I'm not
> aware of
> how and where some of the discussions take place.  It seems to be a
> good
> place for AIS business and notices; however, dealing with issues such
> as
> what can we learn from CAPS and what should we do are more
> problematic.
> Maybe these different types of topics would benefit from a different
> approach.
>
> Bob posting the CAPS reports to this group is useful for at least two
> reasons. First, it makes us aware of what is happening in these
> meetings
> and what topics other groups consider important.  Second, it plants
> the
> seeds for further discussions and eventually action.  The latter I
> would
> expect to have a longer time frame and maybe require a different
> group.
>
> I suspect the reports could benefit both from a smaller and from a
> larger
> group being involved with them.  A smaller group might be better for
> brainstorming how to apply some of the lessons learned from CAPS.
> And a
> larger group, maybe all our membership, should be aware of the topics
> and
> our interest.  I think it's great that Sue Barnes has shared them
> with the
> Region's Club presidents and Ron Killingsworth has been sharing with
> the
> SLI president.
>
> Do we have other venues that we should use or consider for this?
>
> As an aid to our discussion and a possible venue, I've created a
> (Sandbox)
> CAPS Resource page in the Iris Wiki.  It has some links to books and
> authors Bob has mentioned as well as other info.  The only topic I
> have
> steered away from, because of Bob's comments in his discussion, is
> copyright.  It I believe is better handled in AISDiscuss or some
> other
> limited venue because of the legal implications.  You are encouraged
> to
> check the page out and edit it - it is on a wiki.  You can see the
> page at:
> http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view/Sandbox/CAPSResources
>
> Regards,
>
> Wayne Messer
>
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