Re: Foreign Registration Fee

[Robert Pries <robertpries@embarqmail.com>]

First I am not blaming this on the new registrar. I feel the timing is very poor since you are doing this at the same time a new person is coming into the job. I do not disagree with the idea that foreign hybridizers should pay an amount equal to USA hybridizers. What I object to is that this was done without any real discussion from our overseas partners. And I do not think it gair that they should pay more. I also thought it was a bad idea to raise the rates on USA hybridizers so precipitously. I do read all the reports and information that is submitted to the board and understand fully what discussion had preceded this. I probably spend more time talking to people and listening than any board member. It would have been nice if the minutes would have stated that AIS received no funds from overseas hybridizers rather than the mistatement that they pay nothing. I believe the motion as stated would be fair but it is obvvious from the discussion that the board is really not following the wording of their own motion. If anything it would be good to correct these mistatements.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Boyce" <irisgal@hotmail.com>
To: "aisdiscuss" <aisdiscuss@aisboard.org>
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:12:25 PM
Subject: RE: [AISdiscuss] Foreign Registration Fee

Bob,
   As the Recording Secretary, I feel I must chime in and state a few facts
from past board meetings.

1.  At this last board meeting in Victoria, the discussion at the time that
this motion was passed, was about the foreign hybridizers paying nothing to
the AIS.
2.  Yes, we do know that the foreign hybridizers do pay fees to their own
countries, but not all of them do. Check the 2010 spring board meeting
minutes. The Lowes were present and did talk to us.  There you will see that
"M Lowe reported on the status of foreign iris registrations in their own
countries and fees that the foreign iris hybridizers have to pay to their own
countries."
3.  As for the board acting rashly without any knowledge, and you blaming it
on the new registrar, this discussion has been happening for a couple of years
at several of the meetings, and has been documented in the board meeting
minutes.

   As one who is a voting member on the board, we did receive this
information, had a lengthy discussion, and did make a informed decision about
this change.
Susan Boyce

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> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:58:51 -0400
> From: robertpries@embarqmail.com
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Foreign Registration Fee
>
> Excuse Me! but I do not know of anything the AIS has been paying for, for
many years, for the processing of Foreign registrations. Changing currency is
a cost of a fraction of a percent. What other costs has AIS had? The foreign
registrars have done most of the work. I am sorry but unless yopu can provide
some data this sounds like a bunch of bull. The board should be ashamed of
acting on so little information. Mike Lowe was not consulted nor were any of
the foreign registrars whom John will have to work with. I am not opposed to
foreign hybridizers paying an equal amount but the minutes state they
presently pay nothing which is a lie. I am really upset that the board acts so
rashly and discourteously and without any knowledge. They could have at least
consulted with the people who have some knowledge, the previous registrar and
the assistant registrars. It appears very heavy handed for a new registrar to
come in and dictate to the assistants he will need to work with. Such !
> arbitrary actions make me ashamed of being an AIS member. But then the board
is not elected by its members and often does not seem to represent them at
all. Two past presidents have suggested that maybe the board should re-examine
these changes. I have not been impressed by the boards knowledge of our
history so I will point ou that the reason the Iris society was founded in the
first place was to create sense of the chaos that existed in Iris names and to
encourage Iris registration. Mike Lowe has been able to get many European
countries that that were introducing Irises before and not registering them to
comply with Irises regfistration. I hope that the new registrar does not
destroy this achievemnent by distating to countries that could easily say why
should I bother with this new asshole. If he proceeds diplomatically you can
strike the word asshole, but I see no reason why the boards decisions would be
percieved at the moment otherwise. There is no tact evident and no !
> consideration of other countries situations that is obvious. W!
> ith the present trajectory I would imagine many irises being put on the
market around the world never being registered and the individuals, who have
been trying to take away the honor of being the worlds registration authority
from the AIS are building a stronger case.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jill Bonino" <aistreas@earthlink.net>
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 2:23:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Foreign Registration Fee
>
> It was my understanding also that the Board's approval of a $15 registration
fee for foreign registrations was to be in addition to what they already pay
to their country's registrar.
>
> While I know it won't be popular with the foreign hybridizers that they in
reality will be paying more than domestic hybridizers for this service, the
fact is that to process a foreign registration does cost more than a domestic
registration. It has for many years, but the AIS has been paying for it at the
expense of the domestic hybridizers. As Treasurer, we cannot afford to do this
any longer.
>
> Jill
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Robert Pries <robertpries@embarqmail.com>
> >Sent: Aug 12, 2011 12:05 PM
> >To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> >Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Foreign Registration Fee
> >
> >We all know about the law of unintended cosequenses. No matter the reality
the
> >appearance is that AIS is trying to balance their books on the backs of
the
> >Foreign Hybridizers. The Foreign Hybridizers are having to pay more than
the
> >USA hybridizers. Of course the motion actually said it wanted something
fair
> >but your interpretation does not come out that way.
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "John Jones" <jijones@usjoneses.com>
> >To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> >Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 12:17:55 PM
> >Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Foreign Registration Fee
> >
> >No, that is not the interpretation that the Board intended. In the
> >discussions, the fee was intended to be in addition B any fees charged by
the
> >Associate Registrars.
> >
> >
> >John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Aug 12, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Robert Pries wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >The motion made by the board this Spring was; That foreign registrants pay
AIS
> >the same registration fee as US and Canadian Registrants pay. Fee to be
paid
> >in USD, effective August 1, 2011 . Motion carried . B B Since the fees
> >collected by The assistant registrars in each country have been given to
them
> >for their services acting as collectors and translators B B I would take
this
> >to mean that AIS would have to return the amount to those assistants that
is
> >under the price of registration and in some cases pay the additional
amount
> >the were receiving to the assistants. The Foreign registrants fee should
not
> >increase but in several cases may decrease because it will be the same as
USA
> >registrants according to the motion and AIS will owe the respective
assistants
> >those lost funds.
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "John Jones" < jijones@usjoneses.com >
> >To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> >Cc: "Mike Lowe" < mlowe@worldiris.com >
> >Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:14:52 PM
> >Subject: [AISdiscuss] Foreign Registration Fee
> >
> >All,
> >
> >
> >I have been in discussion with Michele Bersillon concerning the new fee
for
> >foreign registrants to pay the same fee as North American hybridizers and
her
> >request to register directly with the AIS since she is an American
national
> >and files completely in English.
> >
> >
> >I have previously told her that she would need to continue to file through
an
> >associate registrar and that as to the fees. If the country registrar
charges
> >a fee, it is in addition to the fee required by the AIS.
> >
> >
> >Her most recent response is below and as the world wide registration
authority
> >for non-bulbous irises, the AIS Board of Directors needs to be aware of
the
> >potential implications of their recent decision.
> >
> >
> >While some of this may just be pique, there may be some potential
problem(s).
> >On the other hand I have notB yetB heard complaints from any other
Associate
> >Registrars except to enquire about details of how people are to pay. I am
> >setting up a PayPal account and trying to work out some of those details.
> >
> >
> >We could adopt a policy that would allow the Associate Registrars to take
some
> >amount of the AIS fee (e.g., $5.00) for their service. Registrants would
pay
> >$10 to AIS and whatever fee to the Associate Registrar. Or pay the
Associate
> >registrar directly and the Associate pay the AIS (via PayPal)
> >
> >
> >I am open to other suggestions, lacking any other action by the Board, B
to
> >continue with the policy as instituted.
> >
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >
> >John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Begin forwarded message:
> >
> >
> >
> >From: M Bersillon < auxiris5@orange.fr >
> >
> >Date: August 10, 2011 11:43:04 PM PDT
> >
> >To: John Jones < jijones@usjoneses.com >
> >
> >Subject: Re: Misc
> >
> >
> >John,
> >
> >
> >For your information, all associate registrars have always charged a fee
for
> >registration (it varies from country to country), so all registrants
outside
> >of north America will now be paying over $15 for each registration; I am
not
> >the only one involved! B However, I would like to say feel that it is very
> >unfair to ask people outside of the United States to now pay the equivalent
of
> >somewhere between $19 and nearly $23 for official registration of each
plant
> >and, unless the various European iris societies decide to stop demanding a
fee
> >for registrations, you may eventually find yourself either with a rebellion
on
> >your hands or simply a progressiveB refusalB on the part of Europeans to
> >register their plants with the AIS. B This may result in the
indiscriminate
> >use of names that may already have been used by previously registered
plants
> >or simply those that aren't officially registered, even by plants that are
> >commercialised, with the confusion that you can easily imagine. B There
are
> >already a whole whack of iris commercialised in France that don't have
> >officially registered names, including an entire page in the Bourdillon
> >catalogue, for example; I don't know why they never registered these
plants.
> >B B
> >
> >
> >
> >Just for the record and since you ask, I ceased registering my plants with
the
> >SFIB for many reasons. B First of all, the registrar of this association
made
> >many mistakes on one of my first registrations and then, when I sent him
> >corrections, he set about making others and finally I had to correct the
> >problem directly with Keith Keppel, since Jean Peyrard is a most difficult
> >person to deal with directly and does not accept remarks about the
mistakes
> >that he continues to make with good grace. B Then I had other problems
with
> >the association and no longer wished either to be a member or pay them any
> >money for any reason, so I requested to send in registration forms
directly
> >and pay the full AIS fee, but was not allowed to do so. B The AIS registrar
at
> >the time told me that I had to send my forms in French to the SFIB
registrar
> >and then post a form in English directly to him, plus paying the SFIB fee,
> >which was not acceptable to me---just to spare someone's feelings. B Life
is
> >complicated enough already. B Simply to be able to continue to officially
> >register plants, I asked Gisela Dathe if I could send in my already
filled-out
> >English language forms through GdS and have been paying their fee even
though
> >they do not do anything more than post my forms along with theirs. B Now
that
> >the forms are likely to be electronic ones (a definite progress), there
may
> >not be much in the way of actual postal fees, so I have no idea how they
will
> >deal with that. B I would suggest that, as the new AIS registrar, you
contact
> >them about how they are going to do things, as Gisela wasn't aware of how
> >things are going to work now when I asked her earlier this year. B B B
> >
> >
> >Incidentally, Richard Cayeux told me a few things about his problems with
> >registrations this year, including a refusal of the name "Ciel Gris sur
> >Poilly", which seemed very strange to me since I didn't think the name
could
> >possibly have already been used. B Apparently there was some issue about
the
> >name having four words, but this has been allowed for quite some time now
and
> >is even mentioned on the SFIB website, so it is very unclear what
happened.
> >B Should Richard get in touch with you directly to straighten out this
matter?
> >B B B
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >All the best,
> >
> >
> >MicheleB
> >
> >
> >P.S My first name has only one "l". B
> >B B
> >
> >
> >
> >
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