RE: Foreign Registration Fee

[cheryl deaton <region15kids@hotmail.com>]

Bob,
As a US hybridizer, I disliked the unfairness of foreign hybridizers riding on
our backs and not having to pay fees to AIS for their registrations, which
numbered MORE than 50% of the registrations last year.  For me it had nothing
to do with balancing books, but correcting an inequity.  The Associate
Registrars perform functions that are not needed by US hybridizers and I felt
that as the official Registrar of irises, AIS should be paid the same by all.
That's it - no hidden agenda.
Cheryl


> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:05:29 -0400
> From: robertpries@embarqmail.com
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Foreign Registration Fee
>
> We all know about the law of unintended cosequenses. No matter the reality
the
> appearance is that AIS is trying to balance their books on the backs of the
> Foreign Hybridizers. The Foreign Hybridizers are having to pay more than
the
> USA hybridizers. Of course the motion actually said it wanted something
fair
> but your interpretation does not come out that way.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Jones" <jijones@usjoneses.com>
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 12:17:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Foreign Registration Fee
>
> No, that is not the interpretation that the Board intended. In the
> discussions, the fee was intended to be in addition B any fees charged by
the
> Associate Registrars.
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 12, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Robert Pries wrote:
>
>
>
> The motion made by the board this Spring was; That foreign registrants pay
AIS
> the same registration fee as US and Canadian Registrants pay. Fee to be
paid
> in USD, effective August 1, 2011 . Motion carried . B B Since the fees
> collected by The assistant registrars in each country have been given to
them
> for their services acting as collectors and translators B B I would take
this
> to mean that AIS would have to return the amount to those assistants that
is
> under the price of registration and in some cases pay the additional amount
> the were receiving to the assistants. The Foreign registrants fee should
not
> increase but in several cases may decrease because it will be the same as
USA
> registrants according to the motion and AIS will owe the respective
assistants
> those lost funds.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Jones" < jijones@usjoneses.com >
> To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
> Cc: "Mike Lowe" < mlowe@worldiris.com >
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:14:52 PM
> Subject: [AISdiscuss] Foreign Registration Fee
>
> All,
>
>
> I have been in discussion with Michele Bersillon concerning the new fee for
> foreign registrants to pay the same fee as North American hybridizers and
her
> request to register directly with the AIS since she is an American national
> and files completely in English.
>
>
> I have previously told her that she would need to continue to file through
an
> associate registrar and that as to the fees. If the country registrar
charges
> a fee, it is in addition to the fee required by the AIS.
>
>
> Her most recent response is below and as the world wide registration
authority
> for non-bulbous irises, the AIS Board of Directors needs to be aware of the
> potential implications of their recent decision.
>
>
> While some of this may just be pique, there may be some potential
problem(s).
> On the other hand I have notB yetB heard complaints from any other
Associate
> Registrars except to enquire about details of how people are to pay. I am
> setting up a PayPal account and trying to work out some of those details.
>
>
> We could adopt a policy that would allow the Associate Registrars to take
some
> amount of the AIS fee (e.g., $5.00) for their service. Registrants would
pay
> $10 to AIS and whatever fee to the Associate Registrar. Or pay the
Associate
> registrar directly and the Associate pay the AIS (via PayPal)
>
>
> I am open to other suggestions, lacking any other action by the Board, B to
> continue with the policy as instituted.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
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>
>
> From: M Bersillon < auxiris5@orange.fr >
>
> Date: August 10, 2011 11:43:04 PM PDT
>
> To: John Jones < jijones@usjoneses.com >
>
> Subject: Re: Misc
>
>
> John,
>
>
> For your information, all associate registrars have always charged a fee
for
> registration (it varies from country to country), so all registrants
outside
> of north America will now be paying over $15 for each registration; I am
not
> the only one involved! B However, I would like to say feel that it is very
> unfair to ask people outside of the United States to now pay the equivalent
of
> somewhere between $19 and nearly $23 for official registration of each
plant
> and, unless the various European iris societies decide to stop demanding a
fee
> for registrations, you may eventually find yourself either with a rebellion
on
> your hands or simply a progressiveB refusalB on the part of Europeans to
> register their plants with the AIS. B This may result in the indiscriminate
> use of names that may already have been used by previously registered
plants
> or simply those that aren't officially registered, even by plants that are
> commercialised, with the confusion that you can easily imagine. B There are
> already a whole whack of iris commercialised in France that don't have
> officially registered names, including an entire page in the Bourdillon
> catalogue, for example; I don't know why they never registered these
plants.
> B B
>
>
>
> Just for the record and since you ask, I ceased registering my plants with
the
> SFIB for many reasons. B First of all, the registrar of this association
made
> many mistakes on one of my first registrations and then, when I sent him
> corrections, he set about making others and finally I had to correct the
> problem directly with Keith Keppel, since Jean Peyrard is a most difficult
> person to deal with directly and does not accept remarks about the mistakes
> that he continues to make with good grace. B Then I had other problems with
> the association and no longer wished either to be a member or pay them any
> money for any reason, so I requested to send in registration forms directly
> and pay the full AIS fee, but was not allowed to do so. B The AIS registrar
at
> the time told me that I had to send my forms in French to the SFIB
registrar
> and then post a form in English directly to him, plus paying the SFIB fee,
> which was not acceptable to me---just to spare someone's feelings. B Life
is
> complicated enough already. B Simply to be able to continue to officially
> register plants, I asked Gisela Dathe if I could send in my already
filled-out
> English language forms through GdS and have been paying their fee even
though
> they do not do anything more than post my forms along with theirs. B Now
that
> the forms are likely to be electronic ones (a definite progress), there may
> not be much in the way of actual postal fees, so I have no idea how they
will
> deal with that. B I would suggest that, as the new AIS registrar, you
contact
> them about how they are going to do things, as Gisela wasn't aware of how
> things are going to work now when I asked her earlier this year. B B B
>
>
> Incidentally, Richard Cayeux told me a few things about his problems with
> registrations this year, including a refusal of the name "Ciel Gris sur
> Poilly", which seemed very strange to me since I didn't think the name
could
> possibly have already been used. B Apparently there was some issue about
the
> name having four words, but this has been allowed for quite some time now
and
> is even mentioned on the SFIB website, so it is very unclear what happened.
> B Should Richard get in touch with you directly to straighten out this
matter?
> B B B
>
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
> MicheleB
>
>
> P.S My first name has only one "l". B
> B B
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>
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