Re: [AISdiscuss] AIS Photo contest

["William Plotner" <gardens@molalla.net>]

I have a question of why you would pre screen the photos when you have a
point scoring system in place.

1. each photo gets a number.

2.  The three judges put a point scores on each photo

3.  All scores are added up and the top ones if there is a tie are sent back
to the judges for final evulation.

4.  If you set up a scedule for the judges and If the judges are all on the
internet and are working with you this process will be only days and
certainly not 4 weeks.

5.  I see no reason to even call this a contest if one person is going to
select what is to be judged.

Just an opinion.

All My Best
Will
William Plotner, Pres.
SIGNA


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Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:01 PM
Subject: [AISdiscuss] AIS Photo contest


> Hello everyone,
>
>     I apologize that this is coming to you several weeks after Jeanne
> forwarded the first post to AISconfer on the Photo Contest.   Jeanne and I
> have had email correspondence back and forth numerous times, and I have
> received copies of individual messages from several Board members or
officers.
> However, both Jeanne and I only suspected yesterday, confirmed today by
phone
> with John Jones, that my responses that I sent to AISconfer were not being
> posted on AISconfer.
>
>     I am going through the comments I received and have my thoughts, and
some
> questions or requests to all of you:
>
>
>
> #1 Adding a third judge to the panel.    I confess the reason I was adding
> stickers to the back and numbering the photos, was for ease of organizing,
> tracking, and scoring.   I anticipate quite a few photos, and the more
> organized I can prepare them so that the judges can review all that I send
> them, in a single  weeks time before it's forwarded to the next judge, was
> primarily on my mind.    However, I understand the point for having 3
judges
> other than myself.   When Jeanne Plank, Bob and I discussed this project,
I
> mentioned the fact that we could have so many photos that it would be very
> difficult to send 250 photos to all of the judges, and have any meaningful
> scoring upon return. and no clear winner.   I plan to pre-screen the
photos,
> using some sort of local panel. and try to pick the obvious better photos,
and
> forward just the top of each group for the final panel.    I will develop
and
> ask the judges to use some sort of point scoring, such as 10, 9, 9, 8, 8,
7,
> 6. etc. and then when the scores are received, I will add all the scores
and
> see who is on top.   If three judges select from 250 photos, I predict
they
> are likely to NOT select the same top photo(s), and it would result in NO
> clear winner(s).
>
>     If the judges were all sitting in my house doing the judging, we could
> have discussions and work towards a consensus, but the idea came forth to
have
> judges from through USA, which means I have to forward the photos by Fed.
Ex,
> and have a judging method which will result in a clear winner.    I hope
you
> can understand why I feel I need to narrow down the group of photos to a
> manageable group, by using a smaller pre-screening panel locally.   I
honestly
> don't think I can say, in advance, that we will prescreen to a specific
> number, I'm going to have to wait and see.  We will have the option of
holding
> ANY photo over to be judged in any following contest.
>
>
>
> #2  we should put a sentence in the application letter that states that
the
> photographers should not write or attach labels of any kind to the back of
> the photos.   Because there is limited space in the AIS bulletin for all
the
> rules, I'm trying not to add any more instructions than necessary.   I
think I
> can handle this without making it an instruction.  In my experience, most
> photographers won't write on the back.   For the few who might, I can take
a
> simple white label, and paste it over whatever is written, to cover it up.
>
>
>
> #3 Shouldn't the line in the rules that says "Any entrant who is not a
member
> of the American Iris  Society will automatically win a single annual
> membership to A.I.S." read instead "Any winner who is not a member of the
> American Iris Society will."    Gary is CORRECT, I appreciate his eyes
> catching that oversight.   I had meant to say "any winner", and I will
correct
> this.     And it would be fair to extend the membership for any existing
> member, so I'd like to incorporate that, and strike the part "who is not a
> member of AIS".
>
>
>
> #4 "And then if we do that, what do we do if a life member wins".   I am
> stuck, I haven't yet thought of an idea for what to do for life members,
and
> would appreciate ideas on this.   Shall we offer a membership in one of
the
> Sections?
>
>
>
> #5 "I think we should acknowledge the receipt of the photos by email".   I
> would like to handle this differently.   There is about a one month period
> between receiving the final photos, scoring, and then being able to return
> photos to those who requested them.   It would save ME work, if I was to
ask
> those who want an acknowledgement of receipt of photos, to include a SASE
> envelope. the same concept as those who want their photos returned.  It
will
> keep costs down for the contest.    If there is no objection, I have
changed
> the contest statement to "Please provide AIS with a stamped, addressed
return
> envelope if you want an acknowledgement of the receipt of photos, and an
> additional SASE envelope if you want the photo(s) returned."
>
>
>
> #6 "should we put the deadline to August 31st so it can also be included
in
> the July Bulletin".   I do have one thought pertaining to this idea, and I
> need your feedback please.   For the purposes of getting it announced
twice, I
> have no problem.  My concern has to do with the timing of the shipment of
the
> rhizomes.   If the deadline is pushed to August 31st, prescreening and
routing
> the photos via Fed Ex to 3 judges is going to take more than 4 weeks.
That
> means the earliest winners are selected is October 1st, if that.   If
rhizomes
> from the convention are held out of the ground, they probably are not
going to
> look the best if held that long.   A bigger concern, is if any contest
winner
> in the northern States. Idaho, Wisconsin, or even Canada, can afford to
plant
> rhizomes mid to late October (upon receipt), and have a good likelihood
than
> enough root growth will occur such that they won't lose the plant in the
> Winter.    What do you all think?
>
>
>
> #7 "Are there to be a total (or maximum) of 10 winners (one adult in each
> category and one youth in each category."
>
>     With Gary's question on how many categories, for #6 youth I had
intended
> just one youth category.   I plan to change the wording to "Youth, any
photo
> with irises".
>
>
>
> #8 ").  I think we need to have some flexibility on the categories...  If
we
> only have 10 entries,"  I agree in that I want to have flexibility.    I
> expect to have hundreds of entries. but there is no reason why the judges
> couldn't withhold awards, at their discretion, if no photo(s) were worthy
of
> an award in any particular category.   John Ludi has sent me the following
> message recently, so I believe we have the rhizomes needed for our six
contest
> winners.
>
>      "At our convention planning meeting last Saturday, it was suggested
> besides a 2006 introduction to the winner of each category, that we also
award
> a recent introduction (2004-2005) to the runner up. Our local hybridizers
have
> indicated they will provide 2006 intros to support the contest.   John"
>
>
>
> Those are my thoughts.   Again I am sorry my earlier responses didn't make
it
> to AISconfer.  I understand that our timeframe for getting this to Bruce
> Filardi is now tight.  Will it be possible for everyone to get their final
> comments to me within one week. by Jan. 30th?   I'd appreciate it very
much,
> and thanks for your earlier comments.
>
>
>
> Kitty Loberg
>
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