Re: Where Should We Be Discussing Topics LikeCAPS?
I agree!
Janet Smith
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Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Where Should We Be Discussing Topics
LikeCAPS?
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 07:56:53 -0500
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> I really do not like the idea of just anyone being allowed on the
> AIS DISCUSS discussion group. It is for AIS business.
>I suggest
> that anyone attending a board meeting be offered the opportunity
>to
> become part of the discussion group -- <u>but they have to attend
> at least one entire board meeting to show they are really
> interested in the business of AIS.</u><br>
> Otherwise people who never bother with the business of AIS can
>join
> the discussion and just jump in with their two cents.<br>
> <br>
> Maybe we should have another discussion group that is open to any
> and all and is not just for AIS business.<br>
> <br>
> I know what opinions do on this discussion group, so, OK, let me
> have it!<br>
> <br>
> Ron Killingsworth<br>
> <br>
> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/31/2014 18:56, John Jones
>wrote:<br>
> </div>
> <blockquote
> cite="mid:31E97B6E-5996-449F-8419-1B2F0115C657@usjoneses.com"
> type="cite">
> <pre wrap="">Wayne,
>
>Certainly list the link in news and notes. But note that no one can
>post to the archives. Only messages that are sent to AISDiscuss by
>those authorized to be on the list go onto the list.
>
>I think you misunderstood when I said : "I think we SHOULD allow
>anyone subscribe to AISDiscuss that wants to."
>Current AIS policy does not allow that. (it used to allow anyone to
>post, but the board decided to change to the current policy)
>
>I don't know when the next News and notes is going out but I could
>write up a little blurb about the archives
>
>
>John
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>On Jul 31, 2014, at 3:58 PM, Wayne Messer <a
>class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
>href="mailto:6d200f2f1@rewrite.aisboard.org";><6d200f2f1@rewrite.ai
>sboard.org></a> wrote:
>
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> <pre wrap="">Thank you John,
>
>I was aware that AISDiscuss has archives and checked them to see what
>type
>of topics we had considered in the last year. Do we publicize the
>archives? I don't remember how I found out about them; I suspect it
>came
>up in some search I was doing.
>
>If we do not publicize the archives and that anyone can post to it,
>would
>you like us to? We can certainly put a link to it in News &
>Notes
>readily. And the Irises Bulletin could have an article and maybe
>some of
>the topics.
>
>Regards,
>
>Wayne Messer
>
>
>
>On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:17 AM, John Jones <a
>class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
>href="mailto:100h@rewrite.aisboard.org";><100h@rewrite.aisboard.org
>></a>
>wrote:
>
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> <blockquote type="cite">
> <pre wrap="">Hi all,
>
>Just some clarification:
>
>AISDiscuss goes to Board members, committee chairs AND
>RVPs, Section and Cooperating Societies.
>
>I should also say that it is up to individuals and societies to let
>the
>AIS Secretary know when personnel or contact information changes so
>we can
>have a list with up-to-date contact information.
>
>We also have an RVP list and and Affiliates list that can be used to
>send
>out mesages. But again they are only as good as the contact
>information for
>them.
>
>Additionally the archives of AISDiscuss, located at aisboard.org, are
>open to anyone who cares to go there, no password or ID required. I
>know of
>several people that routinely review the messages there.
>
>However Janet is certainly correct that it is up to the individual to
>pass
>information along to anyone who they think might be interested,
>although
>that happens with varying degrees of enthusiasm.
>
>There are also other email lists: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
>href="mailto:iris@hort.net";>iris@hort.net</a>, iris-photos, sibrob,
>spaceagerobin, iris-species, and others that could be used to solicit
>ideas
>from. (Yea I know, dangling preposition - LOL)
>
>I think we should allow anyone subscribe to AISDiscuss that wants to.
>We
>should welcome comments from any source. We may not agree with or use
>all
>of the ideas, but you never know where the new idea will come from. I
>know
>occasionally we have an inappropriate post or someone thinks they can
>really send an anonymous text message, but you just dismiss that sort
>of
>thing considering the source.
>
>If posting relevant parts of the CAPS reports on the AIS blog would
>solicit some comments, I think it would be worth it.
>
>John
>
>
>On Jul 31, 2014, at 8:04 AM, "Janet Smith" <a
>class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
>href="mailto:4f80107e1@rewrite.aisboard.org";><4f80107e1@rewrite.ai
>sboard.org></a>
>wrote:
>
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> <pre wrap="">1. Not everyone can afford to got to
>conventions or fall board
>meetings.
>2. AISDiscuss only goes to Board members and committee chairs, so
>your audience is limited.
>3. Many RVP's are silent to their affiliates, so the word does not
>get out to them.
>4. The Directors in the Regions are even more silent to the
>affiliates they oversee, so the word does not get out.
>5. It is not in the IRISES Bulletin, so...
>6. Not in your Newsletter..... But that is only if they have a
>computer. For those members who do not have a computer they are left
>out.
>7. Facebook and Blog are not the place for this.
>
>I keep hearing we should-----when am I going to hear ---- its done!
>
>Janet Smith
>
>
>
>
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>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Where Should We Be Discussing Topics
>LikeCAPS?
>Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:30:52 -0400 (EDT)
>
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> <blockquote type="cite">
> <pre wrap="">Wayne you are correct in that AIS Discuss
>is not exactly the venue of
>choice for continued discussion. Since I was commissioned by the
>board to attend and report I wanted to give an overview to the
>society. Further discussion of for example of the copyright issue
>will occur in the intellectual property committee. Continued
>discussion of what we can do for the future to improve the society
>will occur in the strategic planning committee.
>
>I decided it was important for everyone to know of our being a part
>of CAPS for several reasons. Much of what the board does is not known
>throughout the organization. This is not because it is in closed
>board meetings but because few other than board members attend board
>meetings. Secondly I wanted to get some information out so that board
>members and other parties could do their homework. If one has a
>chance to contemplate these issues before the fall meeting the
>discussion can be much more productive. And third I know there are
>very creative members who are not on the board that may be able to
>offer totally new perspectives on these problems.
>
>The issues involved in whether we succeed in making it to our hundred
>birthday in 6 years as a robust AIS are issues that should be thought
>about at all levels, from affiliates to regions to national and to
>each section. Despite the fact that each of these units functions
>quite independently we are also quite dependent on them all working
>together. While the wiki by definition is a collaboration platform
>perhaps half of the officers of all of these groups are even
>registered as wiki users so that they could post.
>Bob
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Wayne Messer" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
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>To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
>href="mailto:aisdiscuss@aisboard.org";>aisdiscuss@aisboard.org</a>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:53:10 PM
>Subject: [AISdiscuss] Where Should We Be Discussing Topics Like CAPS?
>
>Bob's ongoing reports on CAPS and initial concerns about limited
>response
>make me wonder: Is AISDiscuss the best place to have some of these
>discussions? I've only been on AISDiscuss for a year; so I'm not
>aware of
>how and where some of the discussions take place. It seems to be a
>good
>place for AIS business and notices; however, dealing with issues such
>as
>what can we learn from CAPS and what should we do are more
>problematic.
>Maybe these different types of topics would benefit from a different
>approach.
>
>Bob posting the CAPS reports to this group is useful for at least two
>reasons. First, it makes us aware of what is happening in these
>meetings
>and what topics other groups consider important. Second, it plants
>the
>seeds for further discussions and eventually action. The latter I
>would
>expect to have a longer time frame and maybe require a different
>group.
>
>I suspect the reports could benefit both from a smaller and from a
>larger
>group being involved with them. A smaller group might be better for
>brainstorming how to apply some of the lessons learned from CAPS.
>And a
>larger group, maybe all our membership, should be aware of the topics
>and
>our interest. I think it's great that Sue Barnes has shared them
>with the
>Region's Club presidents and Ron Killingsworth has been sharing with
>the
>SLI president.
>
>Do we have other venues that we should use or consider for this?
>
>As an aid to our discussion and a possible venue, I've created a
>(Sandbox)
>CAPS Resource page in the Iris Wiki. It has some links to books and
>authors Bob has mentioned as well as other info. The only topic I
>have
>steered away from, because of Bob's comments in his discussion, is
>copyright. It I believe is better handled in AISDiscuss or some
>other
>limited venue because of the legal implications. You are encouraged
>to
>check the page out and edit it - it is on a wiki. You can see the
>page at:
>
><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
>href="http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view/Sandbox/CAPSResources";>http://w
>iki.irises.org/bin/view/Sandbox/CAPSResources</a>
>
>Regards,
>
>Wayne Messer
>
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